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saaby93

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Following on from this thread
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
showing how to SORN your car when the insurance runs out but hold onto your tax disc for next time

What do you do when you want to unSORN it?
Previously you'd want to retax so youd apply for new tax
If youve kept the tax, you take out short term insurance, is there an online unSORNing site?
Or is there an unSORNing form at the PO?

hombrepaulo

490 posts

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Am I being dim here? Surely you just go the PO and tax it? (with insurance docs/mot)

Meoricin

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saaby93 said:
Following on from this thread
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
showing how to SORN your car when the insurance runs out but hold onto your tax disc for next time

What do you do when you want to unSORN it?
Previously you'd want to retax so youd apply for new tax
If youve kept the tax, you take out short term insurance, is there an online unSORNing site?
Or is there an unSORNing form at the PO?
I thought that your tax disc became invalid when you SORN? So you can't re-use it, you have to send it in for a refund, and then re-tax to un-SORN.

B'stard Child

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Now why didn't we keep this in one thread smile

saaby93

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B'stard Child said:
Now why didn't we keep this in one thread smile
Or start a new thread with the last page of the other thread? smile

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saaby93

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Meoricin said:
I thought that your tax disc became invalid when you SORN? So you can't re-use it, you have to send it in for a refund, and then re-tax to un-SORN.
If your tax runs out you have to SORN (or renew) but you can keep it insured
If your insurance runs out you have to SORN (or renew) but you can keep it taxed
If it's SORNed it can still be insured or taxed or both
To use it on the road legally it should be unSORNed
Where's the online form?



Bacon Is Proof

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hombrepaulo said:
tax it?
/end thread.

saaby93

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Bacon Is Proof said:
hombrepaulo said:
tax it?
/end thread.
From previous thread it's still taxed wink



ewenm

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saaby93 said:
Meoricin said:
I thought that your tax disc became invalid when you SORN? So you can't re-use it, you have to send it in for a refund, and then re-tax to un-SORN.
If your tax runs out you have to SORN (or renew) but you can keep it insured
If your insurance runs out you have to SORN (or renew) but you can keep it taxed
If it's SORNed it can still be insured or taxed or both
To use it on the road legally it should be unSORNed
Where's the online form?
I thought SORN implied tax ends. So, if your insurance runs out and you decide to SORN (rather than renew) you should get a refund of the tax disc (by sending it back to DVLA). To unSORN you then have to re-tax it.

If you declare it SORN midway through the tax period and keep hold of the tax disc, I don't think there is any way of declaring it unSORNed (as that's not how the DVLA process works).

saaby93

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ewenm said:
I thought SORN implied tax ends.
no- if your tax ends you need to SORN
ewenm said:
So, if your insurance runs out and you decide to SORN (rather than renew) you should get a refund of the tax disc (by sending it back to DVLA).
only if you want to untax it
ewenm said:
To unSORN you then have to re-tax it.
not if you already have tax
ewenm said:
If you declare it SORN midway through the tax period and keep hold of the tax disc, I don't think there is any way of declaring it unSORNed (as that's not how the DVLA process works).
It's a DVLA problem?

ewenm

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Are you assuming that when you SORN it doesn't automatically untax the car or do you have that in writing somewhere?

What makes you think a SORNed car is still taxed?

saaby93

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ewenm said:
Are you assuming that when you SORN it doesn't automatically untax the car or do you have that in writing somewhere?

What makes you think a SORNed car is still taxed?
Doh we already covered this in the other thread frown
saaby93 said:
If you look at the legislation (section 4) there's no such restriction you can SORN from today or anytime
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/2742/conte...
(although up until now for most people that would be at the beginning/end of month when tax runs out - unless they want to purchase a SORNed car half way through a month)

B'stard Child

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saaby93 said:
B'stard Child said:
Now why didn't we keep this in one thread smile
Or start a new thread with the last page of the other thread? smile
Just makes it a bit messy........

Anyway

SORN declaration is just that - "declaration that car has been taken off the road" - now up until CI was introduced it made cock all sense to SORN without taking up any refund etc - in fact I can't think of any circumstances where you would.

Just bought a vehicle with VED expired - SORN needs to be done again in new keepers name

Own vehicle VED just expired - renew or SORN

VED still valid but you no longer going to use car on road - surrender VED - claim refund and SORN all at the same time on one form

Now DVLA has tied CI into the SORN process.....

No insurance - Action required = SORN
No VED but have Insurance - Action required = SORN
No insurance or VED - Action required = SORN
VED current but No insurance - Action required = SORN

saaby93

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B'stard Child said:
SORN declaration is just that - "declaration that car has been taken off the road"
yes
ok so youve done that. Your car is still taxed
You phone up for temporary insurance phone
It wont appear on askmid for up to 14 days
The docs wont appear in the post for a few days
They wont email you anything but 'you are insured sir' loser
You have insurance and tax
How do you unSORN?


ewenm

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Have you asked the DVLA?

I reckon they have an assumption that if you SORN mid-tax, you'll apply for a refund of the outstanding tax at the same time. Hence unSORN = re-tax and there is no process to unSORN a "taxed" car.

B'stard Child

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saaby93 said:
B'stard Child said:
SORN declaration is just that - "declaration that car has been taken off the road"
yes
ok so youve done that. Your car is still taxed
You phone up for temporary insurance phone
It wont appear on askmid for up to 14 days
The docs wont appear in the post for a few days
They wont email you anything but 'you are insured sir' loser
You have insurance and tax
How do you unSORN?
By any of the current parameters that cause a SORN to be cancelled

In my specific case - The sale of the car to a new keeper (transfer of ownership call it whatever you like - UNSORN the Vehicle - DVLA state that.

If I was keeping the car but just not intending to use it for a few months (transfering the insurnace to another car for example) I'd have filled the V890 in with the VED and got a refund on the remaining VED

B'stard Child

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ewenm said:
Have you asked the DVLA?

I reckon they have an assumption that if you SORN mid-tax, you'll apply for a refund of the outstanding tax at the same time. Hence unSORN = re-tax and there is no process to unSORN a "taxed" car.
DVLA making assumptions - to be expected wink

I'll be very interested in how they respond to the letter when I've finished it

I don't do "phone calls" to institutions like DVLA - you get different answers everytime you ask (and you have no idea if the person you are talking to has any knowledge on the subject) and none of the information is admissible should it go to court.



Hooli

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saaby93 said:
Bacon Is Proof said:
hombrepaulo said:
tax it?
/end thread.
From previous thread it's still taxed wink
Impossible.

Cars can only be
Taxed
SORN
or untaxed & unSORN.

Noger

7,009 posts

133 months

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saaby93 said:
Following on from this thread
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
showing how to SORN your car when the insurance runs out but hold onto your tax disc for next time

What do you do when you want to unSORN it?
Previously you'd want to retax so youd apply for new tax
If youve kept the tax, you take out short term insurance, is there an online unSORNing site?
Or is there an unSORNing form at the PO?
As previously discussed on here at length, you cannot SORN online unless the VED has run out, or is about to run out.

i.e. You can't buy 12 months tax today, and SORN it in a few weeks. It won't let you.

The only option is to use the form, which says you must attach the VED and scribble "Nope, I am keeping it" in the appropriate place. And see what happens. My guess would it would not be a valid SORN, and thus you would be breaking CIE. Or they just shrug, update you as SORN, and let you buy another disk if you want. Knowing that if you just bung the "old" one back in you will ping ANPR. Plod do you for false tax disk.

saaby93

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Noger said:
As previously discussed on here at length, you cannot SORN online unless the VED has run out, or is about to run out.

i.e. You can't buy 12 months tax today, and SORN it in a few weeks. It won't let you.
The other thread (and the legislation) shows you can wink
What's not clear is how to unSORN when you still have the disc and take out insurance ready to unSORN


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