RE: Lotus Poised To 'Twist Key' On Esprit's New V8

RE: Lotus Poised To 'Twist Key' On Esprit's New V8

Wednesday 22nd June 2011

Lotus Poised To 'Twist Key' On Esprit's New V8

Hi-tech, compact and light - in-house 4.8 V8 offers up to 620hp


New Esprit V8 - 570hp will  be standard
New Esprit V8 - 570hp will be standard
Lotus engineers will press the starter button on their in-house V8 engine prototype for the first time on August 17th, as development forges ahead on the company's ambitious new model development plan.

The engine will appear first in the new Esprit and will be running in anger in test mules towards the end of this year, we're told, so keep your eyes peeled for an odd-looking Ferrari 458 being thrashed around the Fens. (The powertrain will be installed first in a 'competitor' test mule while development continues on the Esprit chassis/body in white, they say.)

Speaking yesterday, Lotus engineering chief Wolf Zimmermann revealed some important new details of the 'modular'-style engine that will likely form the basis of all Lotus (i/c) powertrain developments for the foreseeable future - potentially in both V6 and inline four cylinder configurations.

'R' and 'Superleggera' will get 620hp
'R' and 'Superleggera' will get 620hp
We're promised a high tech, compact, lightweight 4.8 litre unit that's good for between 570hp and 620hp in normally aspirated guise. (It's also capable of being a 'stressed' chassis unit for motorsport purposes - although as we understand it this won't be the case in the new Esprit where it appears first.)

The engine will be 40 percent smaller than the Toyota V8 first mooted for the new Esprit (in fact the Toyota engine wouldn't even have fitted in Lotus designer Donato Coco's Esprit concept shown at Paris last year - the wheelbase was too short), helped in part by being dry sumped. At 170kgs 'naked' it's also a whopping 80kgs lighter than the Toyota unit, and has an architecture 'perfect for a supercar, and not optimised for a sedan', says Wolf. The unit is 612mm long, and looks very much like a race-type engine, he tells us, with a 180 degree flat plane crank and a rev limiter set to over 9,000rpm.

A few more details of the new Esprit were discussed yesterday too, during a presentation that was part of the new company's refurbished test track opening ceremony but really designed to 'put a few nuts and bolts' on the five year plan outlined at the Paris show last year.

Car will be evolution of Paris concept
Car will be evolution of Paris concept
The Esprit is still on schedule to be unveiled at Geneva in 2013, (the design is being evolved around the Paris show concept), and three versions are being engineered simultaneously - coupe, full convertible and one with a glass roof.

The engine will be mated to a 7 speed DCT gearbox, and the target weight is 1460kgs - which is where McLaren got to with the carbon chassis'd 12C. Work is also progressing on a hybrid Esprit using wheel hub motors and batteries from a US partner - Wolf didn't want to say too much about this one, 'patents pending', etc.

The new Esprit wheelbase is 2650mm, and the interior package is focused 'to give the driver pleasure, not the co-driver'. The aluminium chassis's engineering layout will be frozen by August. Specs will include forged aluminium wishbones, 6 pot front and 4 pot rear callipers with carbon ceramic brakes, and the electronic dampers will feature both 'standard' and 'race' modes.

As well as the standard Esprit, Wolf hinted at a couple of planned uprated versions - including an R spec model which would get the 620hp version of the new V8, and a 'Superleggera' which will get the R performance package and a raft of additional weight-saving measures.

'Lightness' remains a key value
'Lightness' remains a key value
Talking about 'lightness', which has traditionally been a Lotus watchword, Wolf described the difficulties of keeping the brand ahead in an area that every rival now concentrates on equally.

'If we make the body in white the same way as the Evora, we can get it down to 335kgs, which didn't even meet our own 300kgs target. Today we're at 250kgs but we're aiming for 230kgs'. (For comparison, the Ferrari 458 BIW is 264kgs, he told us.)

Performance targets for the Esprit are unsurprisingly similar to the 12C and 458, so expect 0-100kmh in 3.4secs, 0-200kph in 9.0secs and a 328kmh maximum. Oh, and the projected asking price remains around the £123k mark.

According to Wolf, the project is racing ahead to the tight schedule laid out last year:

  • Kick off - Oct 2011
  • Concept Initialisation Gateway - Feb 2011
  • 1st Evaluation Prototype - Apr 2012
  • 1st Validation Prototype - Feb 2013
  • Launch - March 2013

The Lotus engineering chief also offered a few new details on the new Elite due in 2014, a front-engined 2+2 that shares the Esprit's V8, its rear transaxle gearbox (with torque tube) and around 50 percent of the supercar's other components.

He promises excellent packaging in a car offering genuinely 'usable' rear seats, from a wheelbase of 2700mm that's just 20mm longer than the two-seat Mercedes AMG SLS.

Elite will share new V8 engine...
Elite will share new V8 engine...
...and have usable rear seats
...and have usable rear seats
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MarJay

Original Poster:

2,173 posts

175 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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So we've got the 458 italia, The MP4-12C and the Esprit... how many more achingly similar mid engined super cars are we going to have? Lotus could have tried to be a bit different couldn't they?

bobr

1,031 posts

164 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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That front end is very Gallardo-esque

kambites

67,574 posts

221 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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Article said:
We're promised a high tech, compact, lightweight 4.8 litre unit that's good for between 570hp and 620hp in normally aspirated guise.
Sounds promising.

TheRoadWarrior

1,241 posts

178 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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It sounds great.

Unfortunately it also sounds like a load of nonsense.


The spec list sounds like it was writted by some 6-yr old top trumps enthusiast- brand new V8 stressed-member engine, 600bhp, hub motors, super lightweight, we'll take it racing blah blah.

Never gonna see the light of day.

ludicrous speed

959 posts

194 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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Good stuff.. hope this works out for Lotus.

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

198 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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I really hope they can pull this off, but I can't help thinking that new engine and car design is just too far big a leap for Lotus' capability. Hope I'm proved wrong through.

5lab

1,654 posts

196 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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is a torque tube really a selling point? my 1984 volvo 360 had one of them biggrin

Chris-R

756 posts

187 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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TheRoadWarrior said:
It sounds great.

Unfortunately it also sounds like a load of nonsense.


The spec list sounds like it was writted by some 6-yr old top trumps enthusiast- brand new V8 stressed-member engine, 600bhp, hub motors, super lightweight, we'll take it racing blah blah.

Never gonna see the light of day.
There was a chap from Proton who signs the cheques listening to this presentation. His £400million says it's going to happen. smile

kambites

67,574 posts

221 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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rhinochopig said:
I really hope they can pull this off, but I can't help thinking that new engine and car design is just too far big a leap for Lotus' capability. Hope I'm proved wrong through.
I would tend to agree.

They've done it before, but the old V8 was hardly a roaring success and the constant development to keep ahead of tightening emissions regulations will mean that they have to shift a serious number of units. Lotus have made stupid mistakes before and survived them, but I get the feeling that if this turns out to be a mistake, it will be the end of Lotus cars.

Mr Whippy

29,038 posts

241 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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125mph in 9s...

Hehe...

Bash Brannigan

211 posts

187 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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Should Lotus not have re-thought the commercial value in such a broad product range since the Evora was a sales flop? I like the design of this Esprit, but in a time where Proton owned Lotus is coming up against several competitors from VAG then they really have to question whether there is enough of a gap in the market to sell sufficient numbers of these things.

kambites

67,574 posts

221 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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Mr Whippy said:
125mph in 9s...

Hehe...
Why not if they meet their power and weight targets? That's about the same as the Mclaren and Ferrari claim, isn't it?

Ex Boy Racer

1,151 posts

192 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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Well, even if it's a load of nonsense, at least they're really giving it a go!

Just bought an R8 Spyder, so the Esprit spyder would be very appealing. Not sure I'd put £125k into it when push came to shove though.

Dagnut

3,515 posts

193 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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It would want to be pretty smart to compete against the McClaren and the 458...either that or way cheaper...I think going to fight at that weight class could be disastrous for Lotus

Tib

458 posts

179 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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I have to say I'm a little sceptical that this will come to fruition, but I think it's a beautiful car.

Agreeing with some of the earlier posts stating that it is very similar to a lot of other cars in this price segment - which unfortunately is very much out of my reach. I had always liked the idea that eventaully I could pick up a Lotus for 20 or so grand later on down the line. I can't see something like this depreciating anywhere near that much.

Creating their own engine is also a bit of a gamble I reckon, but I suppose Lotus have been drafted in to give advice on some of the Vauxhall units before, so they might be alright...

SWoll

18,378 posts

258 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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MarJay said:
So we've got the 458 italia, The MP4-12C and the Esprit... how many more achingly similar mid engined super cars are we going to have? Lotus could have tried to be a bit different couldn't they?
If you are going to criticize Lotus's strategy at least be constructive and offer some alternatives.

Not saying I disagree with you necessarily, but I'm rather dissapointed by the general negativity shown on this topic so far.

GKP

15,099 posts

241 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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An MP4-12C or a 458 are £170k. The Esprit will be around £120k. Completely different price point.

griffdude

1,824 posts

248 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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Hope it works.

It's better looking than a MC12 & got 2 more seats than a 458.

If it can be sold for less than both, then Lotus are on a winner.

Would be good to see it at the FoS.

Dixie

733 posts

235 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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I guess the guys at Proton must know what they're doing. But.....

Did the Europa sell that well? I think i've only seen one or two on the road.

Never seen a Europa on the road. Not once.

Will they really sell enough of them to make a profit????

Driller

8,310 posts

278 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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Wot, no turbo? Excellent! clap