RE: PH Carpool: Lotus Elise

RE: PH Carpool: Lotus Elise

Wednesday 22nd June 2011

PH Carpool: Lotus Elise

Why a looked-after Elise won't let you down




Phil Barker, (aka pthelazyjourno) introduces us to his S1 Elise. Girls don't like it apparently...apart from that it's all good!

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"I bought my S1 Elise a year ago. Initially I was looking for a low-mileage car, but then spotted this one - with 75,000 miles - up at £9500. Too much for a high-miler, but once the price dropped to £8500, less after haggling, I couldn't resist. Yup, you can get them for a lot less, but with recent brakes, exhaust, belts, roof, seats, dampers, bushes, battery and much more (bit like Trigger's broom!), it was worth it for a year's affordable running alone.

"Everything about the S1 is designed to make it light, fast and fun. The Advan Neova tyres offer a silly amount of grip, it turns in quickly and in most cases without understeer, and will surprise those foolish enough to lift off the brakes or throttle mid-corner. It shifts too, at least up to 60mph, and is surprisingly fast for a car with less than 130bhp. It's also easy to unsettle the rear with a heavy right foot when it's raining; with care or deft hands and feet are needed on second-gear roundabouts.


"Part of the appeal of the S1 for me was the interior trim, or lack of. There's a lot less plastic than in the S2, for me it's a nicer place to be. An aluminium tub, bucket seats, the Stack dials, and that's about it. The sills are stupidly high - you can comfortably rest your elbow on the driver's side, but along with the single wiper and raised wings it all adds to the racing-car-in-miniature feel.

"One of the nicest aspects of ownership is the Lotus community. I've made genuine friends through Owners club SELOC, people have gone out of their way to help me, give me lifts, share tools, give up their time, let me park my car on their drives, dispense advice - I really can't praise the experience highly enough. It's also been an invaluable resource when working on my Elise, making it easy to change parts like the radiator or suspension bits.


"The biggest issue is other peoples' misconceptions. It gets seriously annoying defending a car that has never broken down, being repeatedly informed that your pride and joy is 'unreliable', despite the fact it's never once failed to start. As always, the naysayers are those with absolutely no experience or knowledge. They're usually the ones spending thousands of pounds on depreciation instead...

"It does get through consumables quite quickly, though parts are cheap - lots of MG, Rover, Peugeot and Vauxhall bits on there. My recent clutch change at an indie cost £500, my last service £130. I wouldn't fancy running an S1 on a shoestring, though. It's at that age where things will inevitably wear out. I've budgeted between £1000 and £2000 per year. Do the work yourself, and it'll be fine - I changed the radiator myself, costing £300, but have also got the receipt for a similar job, with the previous owner paying over £1000 in labour alone!


"Would I recommend one? Definitely. No journey is uneventful, it's impossible to drive without smiling, and it's even surprisingly practical (aside from the incredibly small doors, lack of internal locking mechanism and windows that ice up on both sides!). Just make sure you're not very tall or rather fat - I've still got the footprints on the dashboard where my dad tried to squeeze in, and that was without the roof in place.

"The roof on mine doesn't leak at all, I can get a set of golf clubs and folding bag in the boot (driver and woods behind the seats), and it's the perfect car now petrol prices have gone up, with 40mpg easily possible. It's also the only car I've owned where random people have offered to buy it for more than I paid, but this one's definitely not for sale!"



 

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Mermaid

Original Poster:

21,492 posts

171 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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"light, fast and fun"

What's not to like, good write up.

chickensoup

469 posts

255 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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you forgot to review the Sharp stereo

Owlwood

252 posts

156 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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Good write up.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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The S1 is still my preferred Elise visually and the only Elise I'd seriously ever consider owning.

Nice car and a nice write up there smile

sinbaddio

2,374 posts

176 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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Great write up and superb looking car with wicked colour combo!

Rawwr

22,722 posts

234 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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300bhp/ton said:
The S1 is still my preferred Elise visually and the only Elise I'd seriously ever consider owning.
Which one?

zebedee

4,589 posts

278 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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2 issues:

1) can you REALLY pick up a 'looked after' Elise for a lot less than £8.5k? I don't think so, and they are increasing in value.

2) You must be doing a lot of miles to budget £1-2k on one, £500-£600 is what I budget (including tyres over the course of 2-3 years), but then you might be doing 'normal' roadcar mileage in yours.

I think the S1 Elise is a good car to run on a shoestring because it is so simple, most normal modern saloons could be far more costly to keep on the road.

S1 is nicer than the S2 though, met a chap last weekend who is having his S2 set up to handle like his old S1 as the understeer is doing his nut in!

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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Rawwr said:
Which one?
Any I suppose. I like the power delivery of the VVC motor, so a 111S would always be an option. That said I know how similar a 1.8i can perform and I know it's easier/cheaper to mod the 1.8i.

135 sport would seem good. But I guess price dictates all. In truth a 1.8i 118bhp one is probably just as much fun to drive. And VVC motors are pretty cheap to pick up these days. Swap on a ZR160 TB and a few other bits and you could easily swap in a 160-170hp VVC motor into an early Elise I'd have thought.

pthelazyjourno

1,848 posts

169 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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zebedee said:
2 issues:

1) can you REALLY pick up a 'looked after' Elise for a lot less than £8.5k? I don't think so, and they are increasing in value.

2) You must be doing a lot of miles to budget £1-2k on one, £500-£600 is what I budget (including tyres over the course of 2-3 years), but then you might be doing 'normal' roadcar mileage in yours.

I think the S1 Elise is a good car to run on a shoestring because it is so simple, most normal modern saloons could be far more costly to keep on the road.

S1 is nicer than the S2 though, met a chap last weekend who is having his S2 set up to handle like his old S1 as the understeer is doing his nut in!
Thanks a lot chaps.

Budget depends on whether you do maintenance yourself or not - unlike a business just because the budget is there doesn't mean I have to spend it!!!

On the other side - radiator, clutch, balljoints could see you easily into £2k. There are loads of bills that could cost £500 - dampers, steering rack, brakes, tyres etc etc. Not suggesting that everything should be replaced at once, but it makes sense to have the budget in case it does go wrong.

Things add up. From a personal standpoint, I'm trying to replace as many parts as possible while money isn't an issue - TBH unless the head gasket goes I don't really expect it to cost anything for the next few years now though, servicing aside, so unless one of us is unfortunate I'd imagine after 3-4 years we'll end up spending the same.

Edited by pthelazyjourno on Wednesday 22 June 12:37

pthelazyjourno

1,848 posts

169 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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chickensoup said:
you forgot to review the Sharp stereo
Sharp was Sooo yesterday.

Tony 156

27 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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Oh, i miss my S1 111s.
apart from a broken throttle cable (15 week back order so made my own) it ran perfectly and without fault. will get another one one day.

MJK 24

5,648 posts

236 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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Nice review of a nice car smile

CampDavid

9,145 posts

198 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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Disagree on the hight thing. I'm 6 foot 2 and it's one of the few cars where I don't need the seat all the way back.

zebedee

4,589 posts

278 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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pthelazyjourno said:
Thanks a lot chaps.

Budget depends on whether you do maintenance yourself or not - unlike a business just because the budget is there doesn't mean I have to spend it!!!

On the other side - radiator, clutch, balljoints could see you easily into £2k. There are loads of bills that could cost £500 - dampers, steering rack, brakes, tyres etc etc. Not suggesting that everything should be replaced at once, but it makes sense to have the budget in case it does go wrong.

Things add up. From a personal standpoint, I'm trying to replace as many parts as possible while money isn't an issue - TBH unless the head gasket goes I don't really expect it to cost anything for the next few years now though, servicing aside, so unless one of us is unfortunate I'd imagine after 3-4 years we'll end up spending the same.

Edited by pthelazyjourno on Wednesday 22 June 12:37
My S1 has only done 40k so the only thing other than tyres it has needed in the 26k I have had it was a new clutch slave cylinder, which was done under warranty just after I got it. I'm sure the cost of the other things you mention is very much comparable with other cars, although I do need to get my anti-roll bar/drop links looked at as the 'pipe-contraction' noise is getting pretty annoying!

kambites

67,561 posts

221 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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CampDavid said:
Disagree on the hight thing. I'm 6 foot 2 and it's one of the few cars where I don't need the seat all the way back.
yes Plenty of leg and head room once you're inside. They are rather narrow though, so not really a car for fat people.

Rawwr

22,722 posts

234 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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300bhp/ton said:
Any I suppose. I like the power delivery of the VVC motor, so a 111S would always be an option. That said I know how similar a 1.8i can perform and I know it's easier/cheaper to mod the 1.8i.

135 sport would seem good. But I guess price dictates all. In truth a 1.8i 118bhp one is probably just as much fun to drive. And VVC motors are pretty cheap to pick up these days. Swap on a ZR160 TB and a few other bits and you could easily swap in a 160-170hp VVC motor into an early Elise I'd have thought.
Correct answer.

pthelazyjourno

1,848 posts

169 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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kambites said:
yes Plenty of leg and head room once you're inside. They are rather narrow though, so not really a car for fat people.
I meant VERY tall actually. Like, 6ft 7. Tallest to drive mine was 6ft 5, and he was a big chap as well. He could just about manage it with the roof off, but his knees were pretty much above the steering wheel...

Agree with the fat person bit too. That also makes it tricky getting into the car - helps if you're, er, flexible!

kambites

67,561 posts

221 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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I've had 6'8 people in the passenger seat of mine with the roof on with no problems. Tallest person I know who drives one is 6'6, though, I think.

If you can't fit in an Elise for height reasons, I don't think you'll fit in a Boxster, Z4, SLK, etc. either.

Sivraj

256 posts

191 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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I really like these and they look like loads of fun but I've had lots of issues with the 'K' series Rover engine,(mainly cooling and cylinder head/ head gasket problems).
Have the units fitted to the Lotus been more reliable?
Did Lotus carry out any modifications to the engines before they were fitted to the Elise?

moribund

4,031 posts

214 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2011
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Good article cool Pretty much word-for-word what I'd have written about my Smart, so my likelyhood of doing a Carpool write-up and getting it published has now gone from tiny to microscopic getmecoat