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Tuesday 5th July 2011

Spotted: 2007 VW Phaeton V8

Is the plutocrat's people's car an exec bargain or an unwanted luxobarge?



A friend asked me last week about used late-model executive stuff and if there was anything I could recommend. I gave it some thought and suggested a VW Phaeton. 'Hmm, hadn't thought about one of those' was his response. Judging by the used values it looks like a lot of people think the same way.

Like the Audi A8 before it the Phaeton has fallen short of sales expectations and has slipped almost unnoticed into the used market, but there is an upside to this. Like the A8 it's a bloody good piece of kit (same underpinnings as the Bentley GT) that you can get now for buttons and which will be capable of another couple of hundred thousand miles of well-equipped, smooth, executive V8 wafting.


This one from our classifieds was up for £17,450 last week, but as of Friday the vendors have reduce that to £14,950 (which, assuming they still have profit in it at that price makes you wonder just how much margin was in it at £17,450...)

What makes the new figure all the more interesting is that the vendors are a VW main dealer who have just carried out the latest service to add to the rest of the main-dealer history and given it a full MOT.

Of course if you really want to get noticed then this might not be your kind of thing, despite the 19-inch upgraded rims.


Those who do are more likely to go for a Merc or a Beemer (although a 750i of similar vintage will set you back several grand more) which is a shame for VW because those are the exact customers it wanted to buy the Phaeton.

But if you're looking for a 'full-size' car that is smooth, value for money, fully equipped, and which features a superb engine and top build quality then you might want to consider one - especially at this kind of price.


Believe it or not VW is still persisting with the Phaeton; they've even given it Passat-look facelift. You can read what Riggers thought about it below


The Phaeton range also received a fairly significant facelift recently (once again making it look spectacularly similar to the latest Passat - I never will understand the thinking behind that), so we thought we'd get one in to see how the old girl was getting on.

Despite the tweaks, the 'anti-Bentley' (it's the sober accountant brother to the Conti Flying Spur's flash stockbroker) is beginning to feel its age a little.

It's mostly in the details, too. The intricate electronic boot-opening mechanism is still truly a wonder to behold, the air conditioning is as cold as you like, and there's no doubting the quality of the construction, from the thunking of the doors to the solidity of the dash materials.


But why does the gear selector look as if it comes from an early noughties Audi A6? Where's the keyless entry, the stop-start function/keyless go, the electronic parking brake, the iDrive-style controller?

These are all things you expect of a top-end luxobarge these days, especially one costing £82k, as our W12 test car did, and the big Vee-Dub just can't deliver them.

Talking of engines, VW has now quietly dropped the W12 from its line-up (despite having kept it on the UK price lists long enough for the UK press office to order a car) and so, what with the W12 now gone and the V8 having shuffled off some time ago, the only option left is the airport taxi-spec 3.0-litre V6 diesel.


And that's a bit of a shame. All right, so the W12 only ever sold in tiny numbers over here, and a W-shape clearly isn't the ideal layout in refinement terms because there's occasionally an unseemly amount of vibration through your feet and into the cabin (especially at low revs), but it really is an amusingly beefy powerplant. And there's something genuinely fun about hustling a massive 6.0-litre limo that looks like an oversized mini-cab along country lanes - it makes you feel like a diplomat escaping terrorists in a Hollywood movie. And that can't be a bad thing, can it?

   
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OdramaSwimLaden

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I took out a Phaeton 3.0tdi (2008) for a test drive before I got the A8.

It drove better, quieter etc, etc....but just looks too ordinary and has a bland interior.

Having had an S-Class, 7-series and a Lexus before I can confirm that the ride quality, finish and overall package of the big Passat (!) is as good, if not slightly better, than any of the above.

It's just too boring......

Motorrad

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Roll on the Phaeton's entry to bargain barges 1-5K.

OdramaSwimLaden

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Motorrad said:
Roll on the Phaeton's entry to bargain barges 1-5K.
Soon my friend, soon!!

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2951263.htm


hornetrider

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Motorrad said:
Roll on the Phaeton's entry to bargain barges 1-5K.
Won't be long now - £6995

va1o

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I really like them would definitely buy one. So much car for the money, and oh so discreet and classless.
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Hoofty

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I can't help but love these - always find it amusing that they built them in a glass factory but still made them look like a Passat. No V10s for sale at the moment, boo.


urquattro

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I had a good S500, with all the goodies you could imagine, dozens of electric motors, computer controlled everything, it was the size of a Bentley and just as much of a problem to park despite audio assistance.
There was nothing wrong with it, however, the thought of a difficult fault made me get rid of it whilst all ok.
Not normally faint hearted and good at resolving issues, but this one was a "bridge too far".
Wonderful on the road and now the W140 are so cheap and scrapped when cost and complications arise.
Progression of all these very big/quality vehicles to maxi shed of the week status I fear.

Dagnut

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how much was that new?

davidjpowell

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Dealers are crap and can't support the cars from what I have heard. One horror story in particular where a 2 owner car turned into a 4 owner car - dealer was just not interested.

You might be buying a luxury car, but it's still a VW dealer that you end up with.

Auxois

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Volkswagen means "People Car" yet it is nowhere near being a car for the people...


It doesn't help it that it's boring too and, at least IMO, lack the refinement of a Merc not to mention class.

athol

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Why buy the petrol when this these exist for similar money?

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2767285.htm

The v6 tdi is a good engine and can be mapped into a great engine. Mid to upper 20s mpg too.

Also, it must be worth more when the time comes to part with it.

My local dealer has a W12 for sale for a whopping £32K !! His actual words were "we know no-one will buy it
so the sales manager is using it for his school runs!"

Now if it were £15K..............

Garlick

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I'm having one. I tell you I'm having one.

Or maybe a C6.

Tim16V

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davidjpowell said:
Dealers are crap and can't support the cars from what I have heard. One horror story in particular where a 2 owner car turned into a 4 owner car - dealer was just not interested.

You might be buying a luxury car, but it's still a VW dealer that you end up with.
A very interesting and well stated point. Superb cars but there are stories of problems and I bet your reluctant VW dealer would be happy to take your arm off to try and 'diagnose it' if problems arose because where else are you going to go?

When these get in to £2k - £3k territory with 'full dealer FSH' at least you can take a punt on it hoping it will last a year or two with no problems and if not...well you went in with your eyes open.

No doubt VW are delighted with this as it keeps the production lines rolling - a kind of dealer generated 'hyper obsolescence' and you'll probably go for an Audi next anyway.

robsco

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Garlick said:
I'm having one. I tell you I'm having one.

Or maybe a C6.
One of life's great dilemmas. The Phaeton would just sneak it for me... or would it?

Garlick

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They are an irritating distraction http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2952153.htm

LHD

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Garlick said:
They are an irritating distraction http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2952153.htm
Great car.

The Anti-BMW.

Love them.

Contigo

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The really impressive model in the range is the W12 engine. Apparently the designer, Ferdinand Piëch wanted to design something that would blow all of VW's competitors out of the water and after having driven one I can say that the car is amazing.

One of the design criteria was that the car could do 180+ on a very hot day and the cabin temperature could be maintainted to within 0.1 of a degree to the minimum temperature all day long!

I have been looking at them for ages and waiting for the price to come down a bit more.


Contigo

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To be more precise.

"Initial development of the Phaeton, given the internal project code VW611, began with Piëch giving his engineers a list of ten parameters the car needed to fulfill. Most of these specifications were not made known to the public, but a number of them were told to automotive reporters. One of them was that the Phaeton should be capable of being driven all day at 300 kilometres per hour (186 mph) with an exterior temperature of 50 °C (122 °F) whilst maintaining the interior temperature at 22 °C (72 °F).[4] Piëch requested this even though the Phaeton's top speed was electronically limited to 250 kilometres per hour (155.3 mph"

Garlick

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I thought the W12 (in the car we had above) was a little disappointing to be honest.

muthaducka

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I guess you can't have everything. I persuaded my father to get one. He ended up with the 3ltr tdi when I wanted the v10! I drove it to the FOS at the weekend fully loaded with 5 in. It's chipped and I couldn't fault it - effortless at everything. We had a look at a few alternatives over the weekend and the interior of similar cars don't get much better unless you go for a modern top of the range Jag, Bentley. The seats are perforated to blow aircon on your back to keep you cool - neat little touches.

He averages around 32mpg on the motorway and closer to 25mpg around town. Not bad for such a heavy car with 4wd and a six speed auto.. It handles well too for a beast, I was driving it like my BM at first and had to slow it down a bit smile. p.s. tyres aren't cheap at £280 a pop
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