RE: Driven (Just A Little Bit): Ginetta F400

RE: Driven (Just A Little Bit): Ginetta F400

Thursday 4th August 2011

Driven (Just A Little Bit): Ginetta F400

It's the Farbio GTS Jim, but not as we know it...


In spite of its long-ish ancestry, the F400 really is 'new' thanks to Ginetta input
In spite of its long-ish ancestry, the F400 really is 'new' thanks to Ginetta input
Starting at 300bhp, with a 1050kg kerb weight and a proposed sub-£70k price tag, the next Ginetta road car is every bit as interesting as the G40R we've just reviewed.

The F400 project -to be renamed with a 'G' when it's launched later this year - has progressed miles since Lawrence Tomlinson bought out the optimistically titled Farbio Supercars Ltd in 2010. And judging from the boss's comments, there's been a bit of frustration along the way.

Carbon fibre body means low weight...
Carbon fibre body means low weight...
"I'd have been better off just buying the body moulds," admits Ginetta's owner LT ruefully when I pester him for details just before he lets me have a go in the F400 development prototype which is his daily driver.

LT was a gnat's away from completing a buyout of TVR from Peter Wheeler when 'the Russian' hove into view in 2004, and his acquisition of Ginetta shortly afterwards was perhaps an indication that here's a man who needs to scratch when itched. And the way Lawrence tells it, the purchase of Farbio verges on the impetuous: "I spent ten minutes in the car, and I thought the potential was so great that I didn't want it to die."

But you don't get to one-hundred-and-something in the Sunday Times Rich List by acts of wanton carelessness with cash (well I didn't... Ed), and LT isn't the sort of man to let problems stand in the way of his next success story.

...everything underneath is new.
...everything underneath is new.
So... over a period of 18 months, literally everything under the bodywork of the Farbio GTS has been binned, starting with the supercharged Mondeo V6, closely followed by the suspension, square tube fabricated chassis, and even the wiring loom. In fact it's been such a major task that he's had to unexpectedly bring the operation into Ginetta HQ in Garforth near Leeds so he can keep a proper eye on it.

Other Ginetta team members describe the project as 'Lawrence's baby', and say he's intimately involved in its development on a daily, if not hourly basis. And all this while a handful of existing Farbio buyers wait eagerly for cars they thought were ready for sale two years ago. Ginetta has promised to honour their orders, but LT won't release anything until he's happy, an approach he reckons will ultimately ensure those critical first owners will be happy too. Hang the cash flow.

Early customer cars are being upgraded
Early customer cars are being upgraded
Hence the rueful comments about the bodyshell being all that's left of his original investment, but even that's getting a bit of the LT treatment. Expect to see some small but significant differences to the final road car's exterior, with exposed carbon panels and ducts giving the machine a bit of extra visual whiz. Also expect to see a standard of overall detail and finish (inside and out) that's a sea-change from the Farbio approach - a car which for all its merits and aspirations still managed to looked slightly dodgy around the edges. Or as LT puts it, the original Farbio build "wasn't based around quality and repeatability".

So the new Ginetta version has a 3.7 litre Ford Cyclone V6 (as per the Mustang) nestling in its re-engineered metal tube chassis. But Ginetta's investments at HQ mean its got the company's bespoke dry sump, reworked cylinder heads and various other tweaks from the G55 racing car, which in turn means you'll be able to buy any state of tune from an entry-level (and road legal) 300bhp-ish to a thoroughly naughty 470bhp. (Should anyone insist on applying 'track only' options to their road car.)

Hands up who remembers the oldies?
Hands up who remembers the oldies?
Other input from LT has seen the F400 return to a more purist 'driver's' spec, with items like PAS and PAB relegated to the options list. "You can have power steering, but we'd prefer you didn't. You can have power brakes, but we'd prefer you not to..." he says. You get the picture.

So what's it like? The well-used development hack we tried is naturally a bit rough around the edges, and there's still some work to be done finessing the ride and handling. But first impressions around a coned circuit on the Elvington airfield were, well, impressive.

For starters, having just been forced to borrow a shoe-horn and a tub of Vaseline to ease my burly 6'4" frame in and out of the G40R (it's all right once you're in, just a bit tricky getting there), the amount of room in the F400 was astonishing. You sit low with your legs comfortably outstretched, and even tall drivers won't find their knees knocking on the steering wheel like Walter Rohrl in an early 911.

Another Ginetta to let the driver 'drive'
Another Ginetta to let the driver 'drive'
The normally aspirated V6 makes around 300bhp in Ginetta's 'standard' guise, and while it doesn't intrude much at start-up and cruising speeds, start to stretch it with the manual six-speed gearbox and a delicious snarl grows with the gathering revs behind you.

Like the G40R this car isn't about ultimate performance numbers, unless weight and not horsepower is your thing. But you can instantly feel the lightness, balance and agility inherent in a chassis which carries several hundred kgs less mass than a Porsche 911. There are no performance figures available yet, but LT reckons something under six seconds for the 0-60 sprint and a 160mph maximum. Like the G40R, the stats belie the pure undiluted pleasure to be derived from a machine like this if it's well set up.

The development mule is nearly that - there's a slightly longer steering arm on the way to reduce effort at the wheel, and a programme to tweak spring and damping rates is underway. When the work is signed-off, and if the target of £68k can be met, it's going to be an intriguing prospect for drivers looking for an alternative to the merry-go-round of ever heavier, and ever more powerful supercars on sale today.

Road cars and racers together
Road cars and racers together
Especially as LT only wants to sell 50 F400s a year, and hints at the possibility of a Ginetta finance package that will require 20% down, £900 a month for two years and a final balloon payment that could easily be less than the amount the next owner is willing to pay for your car. Assuming it's as desirable as the spec suggests.

Such low volume suggests the F400 is a stepping stone to greater things, but although LT admits to already thinking about the car's successor three or four years hence, he's sanguine about where Ginetta is headed.

"In 10 years I'll be happy if we're selling 150 road cars and another 150 race cars, if we're successful and financially stable, and if everyone's proud of what we're doing. We're not into world domination," he says. Except on the race track, perhaps, where a Ginetta G55 with the F400's (470bhp) engine will soon be available with a full GT3 aero pack - for roughly 1/3rd of the price of a Ferrari 458 racer. At this rate, Lawrence might even surprise himself.

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DaveR

Original Poster:

1,209 posts

284 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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Looks ace, but then the Farbio always did, however far from production it might have been.

Isn't there a V6 Exige in the pipeline though - and how close to £70k do we expect that to be, should it arrive?

stevevx220

8 posts

256 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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Good luck to them. I enquired a few months ago about their G40R. Still waiting ..........

Chris71

21,536 posts

242 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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banghead

"On the edge of buying TVR"?

Why couldn't Tomlinson have got it rather than the Russian business child?

Dr G

15,167 posts

242 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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stevevx220 said:
Good luck to them. I enquired a few months ago about their G40R. Still waiting ..........
Best. Lurking. Ever O_o

peteA

2,681 posts

234 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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Chris71 said:
banghead

"On the edge of buying TVR"?

Why couldn't Tomlinson have got it rather than the Russian business child?
This.... +1

grahamw48

9,944 posts

238 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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Yes, shame about TVR, but good luck to them with this; a BRITISH company (thank goodness) with what looks like a great little car. thumbup

Yorkshire TV is about to run a feature on lunchtime news about Ginetta 'fastest growing company'. smile

Chris71

21,536 posts

242 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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grahamw48 said:
Yes, shame about TVR, but good luck to them with this; a BRITISH company (thank goodness) with what looks like a great little car. thumbup

Yorkshire TV is about to run a feature on lunchtime news about Ginetta 'fastest growing company'. smile
Definitely. Didn't mean to knock what LT's done with Ginetta. It's shaping up to be a fantastic range in a curiously under-served area of the market.

SimonB42

8 posts

158 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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It's all good, but they should start racing the road cars they sell in GT racing, that's what it's for. The G50/G55 is a very nice car, but not having to build road cars means it has a big head start against the other GT3/GT4 cars. That's what's keeping Mosler out of GT racing and what will make it hard for them to sell as many race cars as they expect to. On the other hand, that F-G400 would make a great racer...

grahamw48

9,944 posts

238 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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Hopefully they will ignore such advice unless it makes good business sense, and continue to run the company in the way they have successfully done so far. smile

louiebaby

10,651 posts

191 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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Dr G said:
stevevx220 said:
Good luck to them. I enquired a few months ago about their G40R. Still waiting ..........
Best. Lurking. Ever O_o
Good spot. I'm watching the Ginetta story closely, hoping that in a few years time it will pay off. This does look very nice...

V8 GRF

7,294 posts

210 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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I went over to Leeds to interview Lawrence for a piece to be published in Sprint later in the year and it was quite galling to know that the Ginetta story could very well have been TVR's, but he was was literally pipped at the post by NS. frown

I got to drive the 400 as well with Lawrence as a passenger (no pressure there then) and I was very impressed by it, as the article says a few bits and bobs to iron out but if I had the cash I'd have my name on the waiting list right now.

Twincam16

27,646 posts

258 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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Ginetta is what TVR would no doubt have become had someone managed it properly. Good luck to them, they deserve it.

The '90s seemed to be 'TVR's decade', with exciting new cars coming out nearly every year. With a bit of luck, the 2010s could be Ginetta's.

Japcarnut

190 posts

177 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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peteA said:
Chris71 said:
banghead

"On the edge of buying TVR"?

Why couldn't Tomlinson have got it rather than the Russian business child?
This.... +2

Roo

11,503 posts

207 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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peteA said:
Chris71 said:
banghead

"On the edge of buying TVR"?

Why couldn't Tomlinson have got it rather than the Russian business child?
This.... +1
The Russian had more money and not enough sense to check what he was actually buying.

Johnpidge

588 posts

189 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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Good luck and this is looking even more like a success story



V8 GRF

7,294 posts

210 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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Roo said:
The Russian had more money and not enough sense to check what he was actually buying.
I think you'll find that the first part of that statement is not true by a considerable margin, however the second part is the crux of the matter.

British Beef

2,210 posts

165 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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I think both TVR and Marcos could have done with the LT treatment!!!

Ginetta is becoming the new Lotus - making proper lightweight cars.

Lotus cars seem to be suffering with a weight disorder of late.

The Danimal

178 posts

155 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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So i guess it was Lawrence I saw hooning this along the road between North Rigton and Becwithshaw near Harrogate last week then?!!! It looked superb on the road.. and very quick. (apologies if I've just dobbed someone at the factory in for taking it on a cheeky test drive.)

Transmitter Man

4,253 posts

224 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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"Starting at 300bhp, with a 1050kg kerb weight and a proposed sub-£70k price tag"

My TVR starts at 300bhp, has a curb weight of 1020kg and cost me £6,500.

Think I'll stick with the Tiv biggrin

Phil

kambites

67,552 posts

221 months

Thursday 4th August 2011
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British Beef said:
Ginetta is becoming the new Lotus - making proper lightweight cars.
That's what I was thinking. Genetta's current line-up looks very much like what you'd expect of Lotus.