RE: Why Now Is The Time To Grab A Bargain Exec
RE: Why Now Is The Time To Grab A Bargain Exec
Thursday 11th August 2011

Why Now Is The Time To Grab A Bargain Exec

Traders are ignoring ex-fleet execs - so get your RWD mid-size barge bargains now



Not sure how the nation's 'middle managers' are faring in these turbulent economic times, but their motors are taking a right old kicking. Which, as any aficionado of time-served 5-series will tell you, means things can't be all bad...

With CAP recently downgrading trade prices across the board by 1.4 per cent, and some executive cars suffering as much as an 8 per cent drop, PH caught up with a couple of industry bods to find out what's afoot.

After the financial woes of 2008 it seems that some fleet operators - who of course feed the used market with a lot of cars - decided to alter their usual policy of running cars for three years/60,000 miles and extended this to four years/80,000 miles (...more in some cases). These cars have now made their way onto the used market, but trade buyers aren't so keen to buy.

Steve Carman, a director at the Vehicle Remarketing Association explained what's happening: 'Prices are generally being pegged-back and demand is down. Trade buyers are acquiring fewer cars at auction and are being very choosey about what they want on their forecourts - it's not uncommon for four- or five-year-old executive cars like 3 and 5 Series BMWs with 100,000 miles on the clock to get no bids. Lower-spec cars especially have been suffering because of course the traders know they have a better chance of moving higher mileage cars if they're better-equipped.'


The trade's pickiness, though, could well be opening the door for private buyers to obtain a good car for a very modest price. An ex-fleet 5-Series Beemer, for example, with 100,000 miles under its belt after four or five years will have been serviced on time and will probably have done the lion's share of its miles on the motorway, suffering minimal wear. A tad dog-eared it may be, but with such cars losing up to 8 per cent off their values in the past few months they still should have plenty of life left and represent decent value.

However, if you're interested then you might want to act sooner rather than later, because according to Chris Crowe, Chief Editor of the CAP Black Book, the early signs are that August is bucking the trend of recent months. 'There was a big slow-down between April and June, but the signs are that the market adjustment for August will actually be significantly less than the earlier summer months. Values have continued to fall, and cars like 5-Series BMWs and E-Class Mercedes Benz's have taken a big hit. Smaller cars though are doing well as more buyers are chasing less stock.'

So it looks like if you're in the market for a three-year-old executive car on low-ish miles, then you might find it harder to find these cars than usual, and if you want something small and on low miles you can expect to pay a premium.

However, if a bit of used rear-wheel-drive action is your bag and you're not put off by slightly high miles there should be bargains to be had.

 

 

 

 

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ellisd82

Original Poster:

685 posts

234 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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Hmm...Executive RWD Barge! yum :drool:

Hellbound

2,515 posts

202 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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BMW 5 and MB E class (+'04) seem to be the obvious choices.

Dr G

15,880 posts

268 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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Saloons in particular are downright bargains.

Anyone after a 'nice low mileage, automatic diesel' can prepare to bend over...

Frimley111R

18,816 posts

260 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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'No offers'? You mean the seller's reserve in unrealistic.

mat205125

17,790 posts

239 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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Are these "no bids" cars being entered into auctions with a high reserve / starting price?


J4CKO

46,357 posts

226 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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Always seems a nice idea but when I do change (stock market permitting, not looking likely at the moment) I dont know if I want something desgned to soothe the miles away for middle managers that do 30,000 plus a year, I think I want something that makes each one of my 2 - 3000 a bit more vivid.

anonymous-user

80 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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Tell me about it, I've got a 3 year old E-Class and when looking to swap for a newer version recently the trade-in bids I've had have been dire, a reflection of what they reckon they can probably sell it for.

Just as well I still like it really smile

TobesH

550 posts

233 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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mat205125 said:
Are these "no bids" cars being entered into auctions with a high reserve / starting price?
Recently at BCA and yes, some but not all have reserves so the starting price is too high for a bid.

NelsonR32

1,777 posts

197 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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Whats 5 series models of this era have a limited slip diff then?

Furyous

23 posts

182 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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What exactly are these "bargains"? Is it a 545i for £3,000 or a 320d for £6,000? 8% off what?

brid

74 posts

209 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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Yeah this article is decidedly vague.

A bargain where? to who? ...... give us a clue?!

Mr Gear

9,416 posts

216 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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Furyous said:
What exactly are these "bargains"? Is it a 545i for £3,000 or a 320d for £6,000? 8% off what?
The 320D is probably a more appealing 2nd hand buy anyway. Who wants a huge, heavy car that drinks like Amy Winehouse anyway?

NelsonR32

1,777 posts

197 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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Mr Gear said:
Furyous said:
What exactly are these "bargains"? Is it a 545i for £3,000 or a 320d for £6,000? 8% off what?
The 320D is probably a more appealing 2nd hand buy anyway. Who wants a huge, heavy car that drinks like Amy Winehouse anyway?
Well, if someone is doing low mileage and short journeys they're ztill going to be a million miles better off running a 545. I do have to laugh at the typical "if I buy a 2.0 diesel then my 5,000 miles a year will be so much cheaper" mentality.

Steve_F

877 posts

220 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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"Why Now Is The Time To Grab A Bargain Exec"

Not usually one to complain about random capitalisation but the title of this article is terrible from a professional journalist.

anonymous-user

80 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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NelsonR32 said:
Well, if someone is doing low mileage and short journeys they're ztill going to be a million miles better off running a 545. I do have to laugh at the typical "if I buy a 2.0 diesel then my 5,000 miles a year will be so much cheaper" mentality.
Seriously.

But I cant imagine putting up with the hateful 320d engine for much more than 5000 miles anyway!

dingocooke

670 posts

246 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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NelsonR32 said:
Whats 5 series models of this era have a limited slip diff then?
I think they have the system which uses the rear brakes to act as an LSD, the two BMW 330 coupes Ive had in the last 4 years have had that; admittedly not quite the same efficiency wise, but the driving sensation is extremely close to an LSD

BOT the auctions Ive been to with these sort of cars up for sale have seen cars with a low starting price get bid up to and hammered beyond the higher starting prices of similar cars that end up attracting no bids; that's probably just an unusual facet of auctions?? Would be interested to hear from a regular trader, but from what I have seen on two particular cars (one my first 330coupe) cars like this in the early to mid teens range end up on a indie dealer forecourt for £1200 to £1600 over the hammer price, so its hardly a lucrative market. As per the original article, there are some nice mid range cars out there, and a lot of company drivers who take care of vehicles, so a careful choice could net you a £40k car 2 or 3 years old for early to mid teens; just be wary of the cost of run flat tyres on new beemers; circa £1300 for 4, and many other service items are priced 'imaginatively' by BMW!!

Be lucky

Steve

Trusty Steed

315 posts

220 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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Not so sure about this in reality. I just got rid of my XJR, I need to do a few more miles over the next 12 moths so the obvious choice was to Nottingham Topcar auction last Thursday! Set off with a strict budget of 16K, I said to my self spend no more. I went with a trader friend of mine, had his book. Looked at what was going through! I wanted a 3 litre diesel of some kind, Audi, Merc BMW, wasn’t bothered. As the day went on we could not believe the ridiculous prices these cars were fetching, some even over book. By 3, I had had enough, called it a day and went home. By chance i had a quick trawl through the classifieds here and on Autotrader, Saw an Audi A6 Sportline at an Audi dealer. Was a bit more that the 16K budget I set. The salesman then said, hang on I have this A6 2.7 Lemans Auto Quattro, in black if that’s any interest. Just over 2 1/2 years old. £15500!!! Wow I will have that then please. He serviced it, put an MOT on, 4 new tyres at £240 a corner and gave me a 12 month Audi warranty!!! To be that is a far better deal than anything the auction had to offer!!! its worth having a hunt round, that’s all I will say! By the way, I actually like the Audi too!!

Edited by Trusty Steed on Thursday 11th August 12:45


Edited by Trusty Steed on Thursday 11th August 13:04

phil_cardiff

8,422 posts

234 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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4 years and 80k miles for fleet disposals? I remember the good old days when it was 12 months and 12-15k miles and you could pick up a nearly new car for half price.

anonymous-user

80 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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dingocooke said:
could net you a £40k car 2 or 3 years old for early to mid teens
yes

My car listed at £41k new with all options, 38k miles with full dealer service history later, I was offered £12k by a dealer and told it was too old for him to sell at 3yrs old and he'd throw it straight into the auctions and as long as he got the £12k back he'd be happy.

J4CKO

46,357 posts

226 months

Thursday 11th August 2011
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I agree
NelsonR32 said:
Mr Gear said:
Furyous said:
What exactly are these "bargains"? Is it a 545i for £3,000 or a 320d for £6,000? 8% off what?
The 320D is probably a more appealing 2nd hand buy anyway. Who wants a huge, heavy car that drinks like Amy Winehouse anyway?
Well, if someone is doing low mileage and short journeys they're ztill going to be a million miles better off running a 545. I do have to laugh at the typical "if I buy a 2.0 diesel then my 5,000 miles a year will be so much cheaper" mentality.
I agree, there does seem to be a trend for people to obsess about MPG, ok its important but if you are doing 5k and practically give away a serviceable car because it has a shock, horror petrol engine of above 1 litre then spend 15 grand on something eco that does 75 mpg (actually 45 for most mortals) it is not saving money. Though I do think there is an element of wanting to be able to sell it again to be fair.