RE: PH Heroes: Mazda MX-5 Le Mans 24

RE: PH Heroes: Mazda MX-5 Le Mans 24

Thursday 18th August 2011

PH Heroes: Mazda MX-5 Le Mans 24

Twenty years ago Mazda's shrieking rotary-engined 787B won at Le Mans, prompting the creation of a very special MX-5 in celebration


Not one for the shy, retiring type
Not one for the shy, retiring type

Following the bodykitted Merc 190 Evo II in a recent PH Heroes, this MX-5 might have you worrying about PistonHeads coming over all Max Power. But, as many discerning PHers will doubtless know, there's more to this little Mazda than a lairy paint job and slightly dubious bodykit.

That colour scheme is paint, not vinyl
That colour scheme is paint, not vinyl
Built to celebrate the victory of the 787B at Le Mans back in 1991 - the first and only win for a Japanese manufacturer - the MX-5 Le Mans was a strictly limited run of cars built by Mazda UK. Very strictly, with just one car for each of the 24 hours raced by the 787B.

According to the MX-5 Owners Club, 22 were eventually built and 19 are known to survive, one of which is currently for sale in the PH classifieds. The car in our photos, meanwhile, is the star turn at Milcars Mazda in Watford, where its value as a promotional tool attracting MX-5 fans from far and wide hasn't been missed. Something of a cult car, 20 years on the MX-5 Le Mans 24 is now almost as much a curio as the 787B it celebrated.

Priced at £20,499, the Le Mans 24 was a substantial hike over the £15,581 of a standard 1.6 but, quoting contemporary marketing director David Palmer, "these particular cars have been designed specifically as collectors' items and reflect the livery of our successful Mazda 787B sports racing cars." Not everyone was such a fan though, at least five of them were resprayed back into single colours when the colour scheme proved a bit much for buyers.

Finding a touch-up pen must be hard
Finding a touch-up pen must be hard
Which is a shame, really. These days you'd just use a wrap, but on the Le Mans the livery was a proper paint job. Under the side skirts and team colours was a BBR turbo kit, Tokico springs and dampers, OZ wheels and a host of other detail trim upgrades. Each car also came with a black leather wallet for the documents and a handbook also containing a certificate of authenticity signed by 787B Le Mans driver Johnny Herbert.

The eye-catching livery is pretty cool in itself, but the BBR turbo kit adds a bit of substance to the style. These kits were a popular upgrade for MX-5s at the time, BBR designing the installation to be a straightforward dealer fit. Chatting with BBR's David Brodie he's clearly still proud of what they achieved.

"It's still the most successful aftermarket turbo kit ever," he boasts. "We sold over 1200 of them in the end, which surprised us as much as any because we were only expecting to sell a couple of hundred."

Mmmm... plasticky loveliness...
Mmmm... plasticky loveliness...
A low-pressure installation running just 5-6psi of boost, the BBR kit took the MX-5's 1.6-litre engine from 115bhp to around 150bhp, torque climbing from 100lb ft to a chunky 154lb ft. Top speed went from 121mph to 130mph and 0-60mph from 8.7sec to just 6.8.

As featured on PH previously, BBR's modern turbo upgrade for Mk1 MX-5s realises a much more substantial 221bhp but, as Brodie explains, they had to play it very conservatively. "I did get some people asking what we were thinking putting the intercooler behind the radiator," he says. "But we put it there for a reason - it's the cold water side of the radiator and I didn't want the dealers to have to modify bodywork to fit it. It had to go in like Lego." That's not to say there wasn't headroom for more power though.

Turbo boosted power to 150bhp
Turbo boosted power to 150bhp
"We did a number of level two kits at around 180 to 190bhp but we included an inhibitor on the ECU so if you tried to turn the boost up yourself it cut fuel to the injectors," he says. "We had a lot of failsafe as it was. We did have an early batch of exhaust manifolds crack but after that we didn't have any problems." Thank Brodie's eight-day marathon shakedown in the original test mule for that, his (attempted) destruction test involving endless high rev runs along the M4 in third or fourth gear followed by brutal redlining from cold and cross-country ragging in the Welsh mountains. Which sounds like an entertaining way to spend your time.

So how does it drive? Throttle response in this example isn't quite as razor-sharp as the regular normally aspirated car, but the fact it's got half as much torque again stands out, as does the sheer smoothness of the installation and the way it integrates with the regular set-up. If someone had told you this was a factory turbo engine you'd have no trouble believing them.

Tweaked suspension sharpened handling
Tweaked suspension sharpened handling
150bhp isn't a huge amount by modern standards, but the MX-5 weighs less than 1000kg and the effortless mid-range rush means brisk progress without the usual need to wring it out to the redline. And all of this is underscored by various exotic whooshes and gurgles from under the bonnet.

Other than that it's very much regular Mk1 MX-5, which is to say a little juddery over the bumps, but terrific fun and with a welcome degree of extra urge over the non-turbo car.

Of course, this isn't a regular Mk1 MX-5 and any time you catch your reflection and/or reaction of other road users you realise why. You need a thick skin to drive a car this lairy, the former owner telling us she loved being centre of attention wherever she took it while bemoaning the fact its rarity and value meant she was unwilling to risk it on the track like the cars that went before and have come since.


Two decades on, the significance of the 787B's triumph for Mazda is still fresh, the winning car being specially restored and shipped over from Japan earlier this year for demo runs at Le Mans and Goodwood. And the Le Mans 24 continues to realise its role of celebrating this victory. Sure, if you want a fast MX-5 there are cheaper and easier ways of doing it. And, exclusive or not, it's little more than a very elaborate special edition. Who cares though? The 787B was a glorious moment for Mazda and who can blame 'em for wanting to shout about it a bit.

With thanks to Phil Marks at Milcars Mazda, Doug Passell at www.MX5OC.co.uk, David Brodie and Sue Duncan

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soad

Original Poster:

32,891 posts

176 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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Sure looks special in that paint job smile

rotarymazda

538 posts

165 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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WGT Auto Developments built a rotary engined MX5 for me. It's cheaper, lighter and more powerful than the latest BBR conversion. I would have bought one from Mazda if they would have made one.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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rotarymazda said:
WGT Auto Developments built a rotary engined MX5 for me. It's cheaper, lighter and more powerful than the latest BBR conversion. I would have bought one from Mazda if they would have made one.
I've never understood why they haven't done an RX-5.

Luca Brasi

885 posts

174 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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Looks bloody awful in those colours.

Mannginger

9,059 posts

257 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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rotarymazda said:
WGT Auto Developments built a rotary engined MX5 for me. It's cheaper, lighter and more powerful than the latest BBR conversion. I would have bought one from Mazda if they would have made one.
Can you do a thread in Reader's cars about this? Sounds lovely and it be great to see and hear (And video clips?) of the car in action. I too have wondered why they didn't produce a rotary 5 and it'd be great to hear your experiences


Marf

22,907 posts

241 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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Mannginger said:
rotarymazda said:
WGT Auto Developments built a rotary engined MX5 for me. It's cheaper, lighter and more powerful than the latest BBR conversion. I would have bought one from Mazda if they would have made one.
Can you do a thread in Reader's cars about this? Sounds lovely and it be great to see and hear (And video clips?) of the car in action. I too have wondered why they didn't produce a rotary 5 and it'd be great to hear your experiences
Yes! Readers Car thread please!! 13B??

rotarymazda

538 posts

165 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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Marf said:
Yes! Readers Car thread please!! 13B??
Google for "mx5 rotary conversion". Build thread is first result (MX5 nutz forum, no point duplicating it). Basically, a turnkey service from WGT, drive-in, wait, drive-out. (No body cutting required)

It's a 13B-MSP (RX8 6-port engine) with custom everything, revs to 9200rpm. Mines not ported (yet) but specialists are now getting street-ported versions above 230rwhp. (~275bhp fly) with freeflow intake/exhausts.

These cars just keep going, mine should now be good for another 20 years.

Marf

22,907 posts

241 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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Awesome smile

What kind of cost are we talking if you don't mind my asking?

Sivraj

256 posts

191 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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Love the sound of the 150 BHP standard car but I couldn't live with that colour or bodykit !.... vomit
I can see why some had them re-painted!....

goffahsez

525 posts

166 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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Lol, I saw this particular one in Watford millcars quite recently.
Went in looking for a mk1 mx-5, wasn't expecting to see it though, pleasant surprise.

"price - make us an offer"

rotarymazda

538 posts

165 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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Marf said:
Awesome smile

What kind of cost are we talking if you don't mind my asking?
£5K for all conversion parts/labour/mapping and rad/pump upgrades, plus the cost of the engine/gearbox/ECU, (that depends on what version you want). I sold my old supercharged setup to cover the cost of the engine/gearbox. It ended up costing the same as a professionally fitted intercooled MP62 solution of the same power level.

I looked at the original BBR kit when I first got mine ('94) but decided to go supercharged then.

JamesTheSmith

8 posts

188 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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I have that kit on my MX-5. I wouldn't choose it myself but looks slightly less dubious in a more subtle paint job.




steviegunn

1,416 posts

184 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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300bhp/ton said:
I've never understood why they haven't done an RX-5.
Crippling oil and fuel consumption, rebuilds and appalling emissions I should imagine, personally I don't know why a FI MX-5 engine hasn't been used to make an MX-8, one of those I would buy.

Gorbyrev

1,160 posts

154 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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Great little car - does look like an 80's Pringle golf sweater though!

Marf

22,907 posts

241 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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steviegunn said:
300bhp/ton said:
I've never understood why they haven't done an RX-5.
Crippling oil and fuel consumption, rebuilds and appalling emissions I should imagine,
More likely that they didnt want to produce a car faster than their flaghsip sports cars.

rotarymazda

538 posts

165 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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steviegunn said:
Crippling oil and fuel consumption, rebuilds and appalling emissions I should imagine, personally I don't know why a FI MX-5 engine hasn't been used to make an MX-8, one of those I would buy.
I know of one being built (turbo MX5 engine in RX8).

BenMk3

245 posts

164 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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That's awesome, rare, limited edition versions always interest me greatly, and I love the 787B

TinyCappo

2,106 posts

153 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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steviegunn said:
Crippling oil and fuel consumption, rebuilds and appalling emissions I should imagine, personally I don't know why a FI MX-5 engine hasn't been used to make an MX-8, one of those I would buy.
Bit of Pub knowledge and facts coming out there on the oil consumption. The RX8 Renesis engine oil consumption is on par with Vag diseasels now.

good choice on a Drive in scream out WGT conversion.

mattman

3,176 posts

222 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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Cracking car - our old 93 mk1 se still stands as one of the best cars we've owned.

What's more - I remember sue from those days - she's an amazing lady with a endless zest for life. Shame to hear she's selling it - guess more queen bee's will be on her drive soon!

marcosgt

11,018 posts

176 months

Thursday 18th August 2011
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steviegunn said:
300bhp/ton said:
I've never understood why they haven't done an RX-5.
Crippling oil and fuel consumption, rebuilds and appalling emissions I should imagine, personally I don't know why a FI MX-5 engine hasn't been used to make an MX-8, one of those I would buy.
Oh dear, every time... Did your mate down the pub use to have one that needed an engine rebuild every 10K too?

From what some MX5 drivers report, I can't see a turbo engined MX-8 being any cheaper on fuel than an RX8 and the engine's still going to be higher and further forward than the rotary.

Interesting idea though...

M.