PH Fleet Update: Seat Leon Cupra R

PH Fleet Update: Seat Leon Cupra R

Friday 16th September 2011

PH Fleet Update: Seat Leon Cupra R

Ill-fitting golf bags and motorway munching for the bright yellow Seat



Mark Twain once said 'Golf is a good walk spoiled'. Nevertheless, car makers have been striving for a while now to ensure their products' boot spaces are big enough to fit a set of clubs.

Having grown up from the age of 9 on the golf course (Ah yes, the famous 'wild child of hole 8' - Ed) I often carry my bag in the back of my car, and so this recent trend is a boon to me.

Or it ought to be, After a break playing other sports I decided to start hitting small balls around again and grabbed my clubs to stick in the back of the PH Fleet Seat Leon Cupra R. To my surprise, no matter which way I manipulated the golf bag I just couldn't get it to fit.

Having taken out the driver I got the bag in the boot, but this still left the task of fitting in the big stick somewhere. Using the cavity behind the light unit I discovered I could get the thing to fit, but this caused another problem. Repeated use of the light space meant that the bulbs were being bumped a little too often than their usual life requires of them. Eventually the rear brake light gave up the ghost and decided to fail. Oh dear.


A quick dash to the local car parts place and, in exchange for £2.60, I had a new bulb. I may have been lucky in my last few years of motoring, but it has been a while since I have had to fiddle with light fittings. My old Subaru Impreza was a fiddly affair, with screws and spaces designed for much thinner hands than genetics has graced me.

Parked next to another punter in his older Fiesta trying to do the same bulb replacing task I peered into the space to see what tools I needed. Fortunately the dexterity of thumb and finger was all that was needed to remove the bulb holders, swap the old with the new and pop back in place. If I had a Formula One pit crew working on the tires I would have held my hand out before the final wheel man had done his nut up.

As I drove away I saw the poor Fiesta owner drop another screw on the floor while I set about enjoying what the Seat does best - fun, fast and hot hatch motoring - though that hatch just needs to be a little bigger.

Riggers writes...


Since RacingPete seems vaguely obsessed both by golf and brake lights at the moment, I thought I would add a little to this update by giving my thoughts on the Leon Cupra R. Especially following a recent run up to Aston Martin's Gaydon HQ (where it sat looking a little forlorn for a few days while I swanned off in a Virage).

As a fast motorway cruiser, apart from a moderately annoying flutter of wind noise from around the door mirrors and a frankly horribly dated dashboard, the Cupra is a pretty darn effective tool. It has fantastic seats, a great deal of gutsy, long-legged pace and isn't even too thirsty on fuel (from a PH point of view, of course).

Whether it cuts it as a decent hot hatch, however, I'm not so sure. It might be the most powerful roadgoing Seat ever, but for a brand whose strap line is 'Auto Emocion' it can be a curiously un-engaging car when you find an empty road with twisty bits in it.


Aside from the commendable choice of manual gearbox, it seems to me to be a little bit less involving than its Scirocco R cousin; less chuckable, less likely to make you want to go out and drive it for driving's sake.

It's not that it isn't fun, it's just that it isn't as much fun as you'd hope it to be. And in a bright yellow Seat, that just doesn't seem quite right.

Previous updates:
PH Fleet Update: Seat Cupra R
Geneva Show - From The Hot SEAT
PH Fleet Update: Merc C63 AMG And Leon Cupra R
PH Fleet Update: SEAT Leon Cupra R
PH Fleet: SEAT Leon Cupra R

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Discussion

tom felty

Original Poster:

692 posts

163 months

Thursday 15th September 2011
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i think these look really good
has anyone else got one on here
post a pic if you have smile

thewheelman

2,194 posts

173 months

Thursday 15th September 2011
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Of all the hot hatchbacks, it's always been Seat that i'm least interested in. I've never liked the styling of any of their range & it's just not a car that generally excites anyone. No doubt there will be Seat owners that are very happy with their choice, i'm yet to meet one though. The idea with Seat under VW ownership, was for the dare to be different types, thing is, it's different in the wrong ways.

Mastodon2

13,826 posts

165 months

Thursday 15th September 2011
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thewheelman said:
Of all the hot hatchbacks, it's always been Seat that i'm least interested in. I've never liked the styling of any of their range & it's just not a car that generally excites anyone. No doubt there will be Seat owners that are very happy with their choice, i'm yet to meet one though. The idea with Seat under VW ownership, was for the dare to be different types, thing is, it's different in the wrong ways.
I had a Leon Cupra R 225, great car. Different in the wrong way, what way is that then?

thewheelman

2,194 posts

173 months

Thursday 15th September 2011
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Mastodon2 said:
thewheelman said:
Of all the hot hatchbacks, it's always been Seat that i'm least interested in. I've never liked the styling of any of their range & it's just not a car that generally excites anyone. No doubt there will be Seat owners that are very happy with their choice, i'm yet to meet one though. The idea with Seat under VW ownership, was for the dare to be different types, thing is, it's different in the wrong ways.
I had a Leon Cupra R 225, great car. Different in the wrong way, what way is that then?
For a start the way they look, as i said before. Secondly, they're not as good as their rivals, Golf GTI, Focus ST, Civic Type R, Megane R, they're drivers cars, & the Seat just lacks that extra something. As for being a great car, i couldn't disagree more. As hot hatchbacks go, as an overall package i'd say average at best.

obob

4,193 posts

194 months

Thursday 15th September 2011
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I found the Cupra R much better to drive than a Golf GTI, Focus handles better (not driven an ST but have have driven the Mk1 RS)but doesn't look as good.

benim83n

64 posts

159 months

Thursday 15th September 2011
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ive always liked the seats looks i prefer the looks to a golf of focus anyday even if they are bettat to drive

schmalex

13,616 posts

206 months

Thursday 15th September 2011
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I've had a couple of Leon's as hire cars. They're OK, but the bloody great big A pillar obscures so much vision, it ruins the car IMO.

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

211 months

Thursday 15th September 2011
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Our unmarked car is a Seat Cupra.

It is an excellent hot hatch. Better than many others we trialed. It's also at 100k not put one mechanical foot wrong.

It's been driven at high speed for 25 minutes at a time regularly. It's been thrashed from cold when needed.

It at the top end has lost 1 -2mph off the top end.

It grips and grips better than our 330's. It's planted at very high speed.

I could never own it as having driven it in pursuits on calls i would lose my licence.

It still makes me smile to drive it.

It also goes faster than book.

wid77

50 posts

207 months

Thursday 15th September 2011
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Mr_annie_vxr said:
Our unmarked car is a Seat Cupra.

It is an excellent hot hatch. Better than many others we trialed. It's also at 100k not put one mechanical foot wrong.

It's been driven at high speed for 25 minutes at a time regularly. It's been thrashed from cold when needed.

It at the top end has lost 1 -2mph off the top end.

It grips and grips better than our 330's. It's planted at very high speed.

I could never own it as having driven it in pursuits on calls i would lose my licence. O

It still makes me smile to drive it.

It also goes faster than book.
Could you let me have the colour and reg no and please so I can keep an eye out for this wonderful car?

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

211 months

Thursday 15th September 2011
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Of course.

G... Oh hold on.

Nearly got me!!

cuprabob

14,602 posts

214 months

Thursday 15th September 2011
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Had one of the early LCRs and it was a great car. IMO, Seat lost the plot with the MK2 Cupra and Cupra R especially with the interior.

I'd take a MK1 over a MK2

CptDangerous

52 posts

153 months

Thursday 15th September 2011
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I've not driven a Cupra R but have a Mk 2 Cupra and can't imagine they're worlds apart in terms of driving feel. The first word that comes to mind when driving the Cupra is 'clinical'. Put your foot down in any gear and it just goes, no torque steer, no tramlining, no fuss. Maybe not the drama of some of the other hot hatches but bloody efficient and bloody impressive, considering there's more power than the Focus/Golf etc and no mechanical/electric diff.

I agree the dash is ugly as sin but all the tactile stuff, steering wheel, seats etc are spot on.

Ne0

62 posts

169 months

Thursday 15th September 2011
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thewheelman said:
For a start the way they look, as i said before. Secondly, they're not as good as their rivals, Golf GTI, Focus ST, Civic Type R, Megane R, they're drivers cars, & the Seat just lacks that extra something. As for being a great car, i couldn't disagree more. As hot hatchbacks go, as an overall package i'd say average at best.
Each to their own I guess but I couldn't disagree more with that.

Whilst not an "R" I had the use of a mk2 cupra for about 8 months and couldn't really fault it. Not a car I would usually have found myself in but circumstances were such.

With the exception of the Megane, in my opinion they are a much better drivers car than those you mentioned; ample power for a hot hatch and nimble handling and the brakes would have put you through the windscreen!

If you can deal with the badge snobbery they are a great hot hatch and very under rated IMO.

CptDangerous

52 posts

153 months

Thursday 15th September 2011
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Ne0 said:
the brakes would have put you through the windscreen!
yes First time I did the 'brake test' in mine I thought it was going to do a stoppie. The front discs are enormous.

Garlick

40,601 posts

240 months

Thursday 15th September 2011
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CptDangerous said:
Ne0 said:
the brakes would have put you through the windscreen!
yes First time I did the 'brake test' in mine I thought it was going to do a stoppie. The front discs are enormous.
Agreed. Every time I drive our car I almost head butt the wheel at the exit of the PH car park hehe

Tim Netherton

452 posts

240 months

Friday 16th September 2011
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I had a MK 2 Cupra for 3 1/2 years - I've just changed it for an S3 Sportback.

The SEAT was great to be honest - 100% reliable, quick enough, I was able to get the family and luggage in for holidays.

After an Elise nothing feels great in regards to steering and feel but nevertheless I would throughly recommend one.


Contigo

3,113 posts

209 months

Friday 16th September 2011
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Driven the Leon R and the Megane 250 Cup and there is only one clear winner and it's the Cup for me and hence why it's been voted best hot hatch for last two years by What Car.

with LSD it can really attach the corner well and it's ability to change direction is what stands out for me. Check the footage of the 265 Trophy making a Ring record going for the fastest FWD car ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKyfmUJUzK8




mnkiboy

4,409 posts

166 months

Friday 16th September 2011
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Having owned a MK2 Cupra, I kind of agree with the 'clinical' comment. They're certainly quick, and have tons of grip, but the engine is so linear it's easy to forget you have 240bhp. It's only when you start timing the car you realise it can actually do 0-60 in 6 seconds. It never feels that fast. There's a good reason why many Cupra's end up 'chipped', it transforms the car from feeling quite quick, to properly quick.

Also the handling just doesn't have the adjustability of cars like a Focus or new Megane. Loads of grip, but eventually the car will just understeer and all you can do is back off.

The centre console isn't great. Too much cheap hard plastic, but don't forget the Cupra was a good £8K cheaper than an S3.

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

230 months

Friday 16th September 2011
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I think the Leon is a great car, especially in Cupra R form. But one thing really lets the Leon down for me, and that's the dash.

With the lovely seats you have in the R, it's a bit rubbish to look forward and see this awful expanse of grey plastic:



Though it looks much better with the satnav:



Or does yours have he newer dash like this?:



Whatever it has, the line below the satnav unit really doesn't work for me. If it had been more in line it would have looked better, but then maybe a little too similar to the Golf and Octavia?

You can pick up quite a bargain in the Cupra department now though:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...

240bhp, 24k, £8950. It's even the same colour!

AbarthChris

2,259 posts

215 months

Friday 16th September 2011
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thewheelman said:
For a start the way they look, as i said before. Secondly, they're not as good as their rivals, Golf GTI, Focus ST, Civic Type R, Megane R, they're drivers cars, & the Seat just lacks that extra something. As for being a great car, i couldn't disagree more. As hot hatchbacks go, as an overall package i'd say average at best.
Well, it seems that the majority of the car mags and road tests at the time disagreed with you regarding the mk1. Evo regularly put it above the cars you quoted.

For me, the mk2 is just too big, i was unfortunate enough to have a '10 plate 1.6d ecomotive version as a courtesy car whilst my mk1 R was in for warranty work. It was awful, huge plasticky dash, and the mk1 isnt a paragon of design, it did seem much better. Plus, the supposedly 'eco' diesel only managed 45mpg on the motorway, and could barely pull the skin off a rice pudding!