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Hi all,
Never thought I would be tempted by one of them but the second hand prices are so low, it starts to make sense for a family car that will do 15k miles a year.
For those who have the experience:
- How does the 3.2 performs? Economical it seems but is it fast enough?
- The V8 looks excellent value (similar prices to the 3.2). Are the engines durable? Is servicing cost much higher than the 3.2?
- Genereally, it looks lke the reputaition of the Cayenne is high servicing cost. If done outside Porsche dealer netwok, what may explain this?
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Raph.
Never thought I would be tempted by one of them but the second hand prices are so low, it starts to make sense for a family car that will do 15k miles a year.
For those who have the experience:
- How does the 3.2 performs? Economical it seems but is it fast enough?
- The V8 looks excellent value (similar prices to the 3.2). Are the engines durable? Is servicing cost much higher than the 3.2?
- Genereally, it looks lke the reputaition of the Cayenne is high servicing cost. If done outside Porsche dealer netwok, what may explain this?
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Raph.
I have owned a 3.2 since the later end of 2010 - purchased the weekend before the snow came down in the south east, which was perfect timing as very capable cars.
I looked around for a while and found the car at an independent - 05 reg, Black, 45k miles, heated seats + s/wheel, sport techno alloys, PCM (Sat Nav could need an update!), roof bars, new tyres, bose etc. Like any advice on this forum - shop around, see a few, as condition does vary irrespective of the age/milleage.
The car came fully serviced by an OPC. The car had been serviced by the indy prior to me picking up, but I wanted to get the minor service done at OPC as it was due on the dash. Make sure you check the stamps - esp. the major 40k service if age/milleage corresponds to needing this done (stamp in my book = £2,500 as had brakes, etc). Services are every 2 years/20k so you should prepare for the most appropriate if not done already. Mine is now not needing a service until my 2 year anniversary of ownership (I dont do enough miles to cover 20k). At least by checking this prior you can factor in the cost at a good indy or OPC - I didnt! From memory the minor was £400 basic plus the items listed below. Will now use an indy for the next (some well known ones in my area).
So, other costs for illustration:
- My Alarm played up in the summer - £500 for investigation and new siren at OPC
- I damaged the lower rear passenger door trim at goodwood - £175 new part, painted and fitted.
- Exhaust tail pipe clamp cracked - £57
- Brake Fluid - £111
- Rear washer pipe disconnected - £80 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Gas strut on parking brake (a common issue, im told) - £49.30
I learnt the hard way - I should have had an inspection prior to cover the more obvious items above - I think I have been lucky in the grand scheme of things as the items above dont, IMHO, constitute a massive issue.
Petrol consumption is at times a joke, esp. if you push on as the 3.2 is not the quickest of cars for the size but it does me ok - the best ive managed at 78mph is 23MPG on motorway). As many have said, it handles like a 4x4 has no right to, excellent driving position, well made, all the normal Porsche stuff (even though it is essentially a VW touareg!), etc.
Road Tax = £260
Ins = £570 / year
Dont let the above unforeseen costs put you off though, as in hindsight I could have been more dilligent when buying (i.e an inspection) as was caught out by these additional costs. I accept I didnt have to use an OPC either but if you buy right they are great value for money - just budget for some unforeseen ££ as things to crop up.
Now ive had time with the car, got to know it I really do love it - Go for it!!
I looked around for a while and found the car at an independent - 05 reg, Black, 45k miles, heated seats + s/wheel, sport techno alloys, PCM (Sat Nav could need an update!), roof bars, new tyres, bose etc. Like any advice on this forum - shop around, see a few, as condition does vary irrespective of the age/milleage.
The car came fully serviced by an OPC. The car had been serviced by the indy prior to me picking up, but I wanted to get the minor service done at OPC as it was due on the dash. Make sure you check the stamps - esp. the major 40k service if age/milleage corresponds to needing this done (stamp in my book = £2,500 as had brakes, etc). Services are every 2 years/20k so you should prepare for the most appropriate if not done already. Mine is now not needing a service until my 2 year anniversary of ownership (I dont do enough miles to cover 20k). At least by checking this prior you can factor in the cost at a good indy or OPC - I didnt! From memory the minor was £400 basic plus the items listed below. Will now use an indy for the next (some well known ones in my area).
So, other costs for illustration:
- My Alarm played up in the summer - £500 for investigation and new siren at OPC
- I damaged the lower rear passenger door trim at goodwood - £175 new part, painted and fitted.
- Exhaust tail pipe clamp cracked - £57
- Brake Fluid - £111
- Rear washer pipe disconnected - £80 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Gas strut on parking brake (a common issue, im told) - £49.30
I learnt the hard way - I should have had an inspection prior to cover the more obvious items above - I think I have been lucky in the grand scheme of things as the items above dont, IMHO, constitute a massive issue.
Petrol consumption is at times a joke, esp. if you push on as the 3.2 is not the quickest of cars for the size but it does me ok - the best ive managed at 78mph is 23MPG on motorway). As many have said, it handles like a 4x4 has no right to, excellent driving position, well made, all the normal Porsche stuff (even though it is essentially a VW touareg!), etc.
Road Tax = £260
Ins = £570 / year
Dont let the above unforeseen costs put you off though, as in hindsight I could have been more dilligent when buying (i.e an inspection) as was caught out by these additional costs. I accept I didnt have to use an OPC either but if you buy right they are great value for money - just budget for some unforeseen ££ as things to crop up.
Now ive had time with the car, got to know it I really do love it - Go for it!!
Raph C said:
Thanks for the reply Ollie,
So it looks like you are enjoying the 3.2 and, if I avoid the OPC, it will not ruin me. Good. May just be short on humpf!
How about the S, anyone out there with some feedback on the V8 model?
Thanks again.
I cannot comment on the S model but I have an 05 Turbo. With Air Suspension, Bose, PCM etc. etc.So it looks like you are enjoying the 3.2 and, if I avoid the OPC, it will not ruin me. Good. May just be short on humpf!
How about the S, anyone out there with some feedback on the V8 model?
Thanks again.
Bought privately and budgeted for a full service including new oil, plugs, belts etc.
Apart from this and a dodgy swing arm spare wheel carrier (now sorted, not likely to worry you as mine is LHD), the whole proposition makes sense.
Fuel consumption is not as bad as one may think, I get on average 16.6 MPG around town (calibrated in US Gallons so I guess about 15% uplift to convert to UK MPG), 20 on a run, but for me the biggest plus point is the air suspension. Having driven a few before I bought I find for me personally that the Air suspension transforms the Car.
All subjective, but in summary, carefully sourced and maintained and it should make a great proposition.
HTH
Rob
Absolutely love my Cayenne S. Petrol consumption seems pretty much on a par with the 3.2 (that was my rationale for buying anyway). With a light foot on a long run I've seen 26mpg as the engine is not exactly stressed at that speed. More normal day to day driving is 16-18mpg, but as long as you buy with eyes open - full tank at the moment is c.£110...
Even on 20" wheels and low profile tyres it was unstoppable in the snow last year. General on road manners are fantastic given its size. Test drove an XC90 and a Disco 3 at the weekend (changing because a lot more long journeys are in the offing and need more boot space) and they are not in the same league.
It's not as practical as its size would suggest - we have 2 kids and 2 dogs and, while they're fine day to day, if we are going away anywhere it soon gets full.
Costs wise - mine has been to a specialist for major service (c.£1,200 including coil packs); replacement PAS pump (c.£750); tyres have done c.8k and not far off needing changing; tax in the lower band as pre 06; and fuel...
For the money though, I'm not sure there's anything out there that will beat it.
Even on 20" wheels and low profile tyres it was unstoppable in the snow last year. General on road manners are fantastic given its size. Test drove an XC90 and a Disco 3 at the weekend (changing because a lot more long journeys are in the offing and need more boot space) and they are not in the same league.
It's not as practical as its size would suggest - we have 2 kids and 2 dogs and, while they're fine day to day, if we are going away anywhere it soon gets full.
Costs wise - mine has been to a specialist for major service (c.£1,200 including coil packs); replacement PAS pump (c.£750); tyres have done c.8k and not far off needing changing; tax in the lower band as pre 06; and fuel...
For the money though, I'm not sure there's anything out there that will beat it.
Had my 3.2 for coming up to 4 years and doing about 23k / year. Fuel consumption is around 23mpg dropping to 17mpg when towing my race car in a covered trailer. Recently experimented driving at Eco 56 and managed over 30mpg.
Always serviced at Porsche except for Tyres and brakes which I did myself with Pagid Replacements which seem to work okay. Overall I love the car and like above drives very much better than a 4x4 should.....compared to my wife's Disco it's a sports car.
Currently showing 110k and other than Tyres and one set of brakes it's only had light bulbs and an engine temperature sensor go wrong which was only £126 to put right.
Always serviced at Porsche except for Tyres and brakes which I did myself with Pagid Replacements which seem to work okay. Overall I love the car and like above drives very much better than a 4x4 should.....compared to my wife's Disco it's a sports car.
Currently showing 110k and other than Tyres and one set of brakes it's only had light bulbs and an engine temperature sensor go wrong which was only £126 to put right.
The 4.5S I had was doing 24/5mpg on motorway and in the country, not much time in town ave 20mpg.
Things to look for and these are occasional issues after 8 years of production.
Fire car up listen for tapping sound that doesn’t go away, likely bore liner £1,000+ to start with
Check coolant level, check for coolant smell and check wheather it has had the replacemnet plastic pipes which are £700
Drive car and kick down at least 2 gearsif it bangs walk away its valve chest in gearbox c£1,000 for parts
Propshaft is rattling noise when pulling away or turning corners Prop is 560+v for part plus labour recon £210
Check for Oil leaks
Check for Bearing noises
Check service record especially for filter and plugs every 4 years as they double the service cost.
Things to look for and these are occasional issues after 8 years of production.
Fire car up listen for tapping sound that doesn’t go away, likely bore liner £1,000+ to start with
Check coolant level, check for coolant smell and check wheather it has had the replacemnet plastic pipes which are £700
Drive car and kick down at least 2 gearsif it bangs walk away its valve chest in gearbox c£1,000 for parts
Propshaft is rattling noise when pulling away or turning corners Prop is 560+v for part plus labour recon £210
Check for Oil leaks
Check for Bearing noises
Check service record especially for filter and plugs every 4 years as they double the service cost.
Raph C said:
Never thought I would be tempted by one of them but the second hand prices are so low,
- The V8 looks excellent value (similar prices to the 3.2). Are the engines durable? Is servicing cost much higher than the 3.2?
Hiya, I am the same as you. Never even had a 4x4 before but just bought a 2006 cayenne S a few weeks ago. Like you, what made me pull the trigger was the fact that nobody wants them so its very very easy to get a silly deal. I paid only 11.5k for a 2006 car which booked at about 18-19k for average miles. The price I paid was a fair bit below trade. Its been well looked after and had the coolant pipes done and a few propshafts here and there and I would advise you to do similar checks to make sure its had money spend on it and remedial work carried out.- The V8 looks excellent value (similar prices to the 3.2). Are the engines durable? Is servicing cost much higher than the 3.2?
I absolutely love it so far. Love being in it, driving it, cruising, going banzai ... its an amazing tonka toy. I got mine with Air suspension and PASM and i would suggest that you get the same as it makes a worthy difference and also will help come resale. I would have loved a panoramic roof as well but its hard getting everything you want.
As for mpg... not sure about 24mpg, sounds like an over enthusiastic OBD to me !!!! I am getting 16-17mpg consistently with a mix of driving, even with lots of motorway factored in. So thats £125 at the pumps for 92 litres and getting around 320 miles. Make no mistake, the way a Cayenne drinks fuel is bordeline outrageous and you will want to give it some beans sometimes because thats one of the things it does so well. Also, if yuo start crusing at 90,100+ on the Mway then forget your quoted Mway mpg figures altogether. I don't get how some people are quoting 25mpg. Maybe there are sample differences but to get mine to return that I'd honestly have to freewheel it down the side of the Himalayas. One thing that i did read a lot before buying was that you tend to work the V6 more so in real world terms the V8 and V6 petrol spend is the same.
Can't help you on running costs. Fixed price servicing at most indys seems relatively ok to me. The V8 is unstressed and the gearbox is sound. The known weak areas seem to be the coolant pipes and the coils and fuel pumps seem to get replaced a fair but as well. I bought mine with the (hopefully) informed opinion that they are generally very reliable and dependable with no real catastrophic gremlines to speak of.
In summary, go for it. Cant think of another 'do everything' car id rather smoke around day to day.. apart from the 2011 Turbo that is !
Edited by jackal on Tuesday 25th October 20:46
I have a 2008 Cayenne S that is parked outside all winter in Canada. I have used it for towing,offloading and lots of hard work. The thing seems to be bullet-proof. I had one major recall for fuel pump ( free of course). I am about to pull a trailer with a car on it (5000lbs) from Toronto to Scottsdale Az next week, which will be its longest run to date. We will see how it handles elevation changes and very long tows. However, it has been tremendously reliable to date.
Excellent feedback guys!
Now, I see some have 18 and others 19" wheels. I hear about the "turbo brakes option". As I have no plan to to a trackday with the car (!!!!) I prefer standard brakes which will probably cost much less to maintain. Do I need a car in 18" then? (assuming original wheels obviously.
Sorry if this is not clear, it is late!
Now, I see some have 18 and others 19" wheels. I hear about the "turbo brakes option". As I have no plan to to a trackday with the car (!!!!) I prefer standard brakes which will probably cost much less to maintain. Do I need a car in 18" then? (assuming original wheels obviously.
Sorry if this is not clear, it is late!
2004 V8S, 80,000 miles so far. 19's and air.
On the motorway with familly onboard, 22/24 mpg. Around town 14/18. Fun days with no one else watching 10/12.
Tyres are a pain, watch em go down, 8,000 miles at £820 for a set of contisports 275/45/19.
Servicing is pretty standard, nothing major has gone wrong, just pads, oil, boring stuff.
Every so often there's electrical glitches as it shows warnings on the dash, air suspension not working , go to workshop etc. All have turned out to be tosh, Thankfully but blinkin nuisance !
Awesome car. Maybe not the most dramatic but probably the best/most versatile car in the Porsche model range.
On the motorway with familly onboard, 22/24 mpg. Around town 14/18. Fun days with no one else watching 10/12.
Tyres are a pain, watch em go down, 8,000 miles at £820 for a set of contisports 275/45/19.
Servicing is pretty standard, nothing major has gone wrong, just pads, oil, boring stuff.
Every so often there's electrical glitches as it shows warnings on the dash, air suspension not working , go to workshop etc. All have turned out to be tosh, Thankfully but blinkin nuisance !
Awesome car. Maybe not the most dramatic but probably the best/most versatile car in the Porsche model range.
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