RE: PH Blog: the new Porsche 911

RE: PH Blog: the new Porsche 911

Saturday 19th November 2011

PH Blog: the new Porsche 911

Early titbits and teasers from the 991 launch in California


Lots of new 911s, none of them manuals
Lots of new 911s, none of them manuals
So after what seems like an age I've finally had my drive in the 991 and, well, you'll have to wait until Monday when the full story goes live. I know, we tease but that's not to say I don't have some stuff to share on the car and what we've been up to out here.

As I wrote earlier in the week I did have some concerns about whether the tech overload on the new 911 was in danger of drowning out the stuff that makes the car special. And this wasn't calmed when I heard all the cars on the launch were going to be S models and, as predicted, fully decked out with all the acronyms Porsche could throw at 'em. Which is to say, a lot. I mentioned the flow chart I had to draw to make sense of them all? Here it is!

991 chassis options explained - clear now?
991 chassis options explained - clear now?
Worse still there were only three manuals out of the 20-odd cars on the fleet. Which, given that there's quite a big fuss about this being the first passenger car with a standard seven-speed manual gearbox and, as a result, people might be interested in driving it seemed a bit of an oversight. Cue much tutting from the assembled hacks and slightly fraught faces on the PRs as they tried to figure out how to make sure everyone got a go.

Fear not though, I did manage to get a manual and a decent go with one at that. The mid-way station at an airfield, was base for the day from which cars could be taken out on various local test routes and I managed to bag the manual for this. There were also various classic 911s to sample too, the rare 1986 G series Clubsport prototype especially enticing. It was also handy to have a 997 on hand for comparisons. Not only that, Porsche had actually laid a fresh tarmac handling circuit on an old bit of runway specifically for the launch. Sounds over the top but over 450 journalists will be going through this programme over the couple of weeks it's running so you get an idea of the level of investment.

1970 911 face to face with its 2012 equivalent
1970 911 face to face with its 2012 equivalent
Thing is, we were among the last of the groups. Which meant, by the time we got there, the local Highway Patrol had become very familiar with the launch routes and when and where to expect hordes of over excited hacks letting loose in 911s. I had two close shaves, one black and white pulling out and booking the car in front and another apparently reading the paper as I approached and after a muffled squeak from my co-driver I managed to bring the speed to an acceptable level as we passed.

Any other teasers? Well, I can comprehensively tell you the new Porsche 911 can corner harder than a Hyundai Accent. How do I know this? Well, after the driver of such a car attempted to match our speed around a tightly turning Freeway exit ramp. Suffice to say, it didn't end well for him.

 

993 and 2,000km 964 among the old 911s
993 and 2,000km 964 among the old 911s
997 Carrera 4s brought for comparison purposes
997 Carrera 4s brought for comparison purposes
1986 Clubsport prototype from the Porsche Museum
1986 Clubsport prototype from the Porsche Museum
Mm, stripey! Old school Porsche goodness...
Mm, stripey! Old school Porsche goodness...
The mythical beast that is the manual 991
The mythical beast that is the manual 991
Still the preferred option? Wait and see!
Still the preferred option? Wait and see!
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Discussion

jakesmith

Original Poster:

9,461 posts

172 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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Very nice of Porsche unlike other manufacturers to change the design so little from model to model, doesn't date the older cars in the way that Merc for example do with radical redesign. They must be doing something right. 997s have never looked such good value.

gforceg

3,524 posts

180 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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Was that out at Palmdale?

I'll take the white Clubsport please.

LukeSi

5,753 posts

162 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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I'm starting to like the 911 a lot.

Negative Creep

24,993 posts

228 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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Not enough buttons for my liking

Daniel1

2,931 posts

199 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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Negative Creep said:



Not enough buttons for my liking
or gears

Hellbound

2,500 posts

177 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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1970's 911 yum

E38Ross

35,118 posts

213 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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it looks absolutely lovely. agree about the centre console by the gear lever, now that IS too many buttons, you can also see above it (albeit it's blurry) there are loads of buttons there too!

Richard A

181 posts

177 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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Hellbound said:
1970's 911 yum
Why is that the one I want the most?

Hellbound

2,500 posts

177 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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Richard A said:
Hellbound said:
1970's 911 yum
Why is that the one I want the most?
It just speaks to me the most. We're both discerning chaps, but what's working against us are used prices. Fortunately they're still within the daily steer/moderate use cost bracket. smile

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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But wasn't the Hyundai Accent crowned 6 times consecutive EVO performance car of the year? No, wait, sorry, my mistake, that was the 911............ ;-)


How anyone in a modern car finds any time to actually look where they are going beats me! I recently test drove a car, and the salesman was incredulous that i really didn't give two hoots about all the techy stuff like sat nav, variable headlights, Ipod interfaces, and the other million bits of "convienience" electronics that the car possessed.

No, i just wanted to know how the steering weighted up, was there any on-centre feel, was the primary and secondary ride decent, could you slot home nicely timed rapid gearshifts (with a throttle blip on the way down) and stuff like that !! These days any manufacturer can shove 10gigabytes of processing power into an very average car, and distract the buyer from the fact that the car is really rather pony.

For me a "car" is still the mechanical interaction with the road and driver. You can put as much bling as you like on the inside, and as much tinsel as you can fit on the outside, but I want a car that is a well honed mechanical device first wink

Richard Stoddard

2 posts

150 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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I think a lot of people are going to become very familiar with the rear end of the new 911!

krisdelta

4,566 posts

202 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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Looking forward to the full review, I was deeply impressed with the 997.2 C4S I drove on track, PDK is the first auto I've driven that did what I wanted, when I wanted it.

cayman-black

12,665 posts

217 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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1970s Green lovely. And thank god PH got a manual look forward to monday! But that blue 991 looks terrible.

E38Ross

35,118 posts

213 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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cayman-black said:
But that blue 991 looks terrible.
i think it's really nice smile

sneaky schnell

1,492 posts

206 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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Daniel1 said:
Negative Creep said:



Not enough buttons for my liking
or gears
I rather buttons to touchscreens, iDrive or any other type of interface.

At least when you learn when the buttons are you can use them by touch rather than having to take your eyes off the road.

pwrc

2,357 posts

153 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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I still don't understand why the naming went 911-930-964-993-997-998-991
REALLY gets on my nerves hehe

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

169 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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That one I can answer! Apparently when they were in development and suppliers were pitching to them they used the designation 991 on all the paperwork relating to the car to hide the fact it was for the new 911. If they'd used the 998 prefix external suppliers would have realised what they were working on and, I guess, rivals would/could have got the jump on what tech they were buying in and suchlike long before Porsche would have wanted that info out in the public domain.

So, put simply, bureaucratic camouflage!

E38Ross

35,118 posts

213 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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sneaky schnell said:
I rather buttons to touchscreens, iDrive or any other type of interface.

At least when you learn when the buttons are you can use them by touch rather than having to take your eyes off the road.
not sure about touch screens but with iDrive in BMWs you can use pretty much everything you want to with buttons already there. iDrive just allows for a much wider choice of preferences, settings and information etc you simply wouldn't be able to get with just buttons.

put simply, once your car is set up how you like it, for 99+% of the driving you do, be it through day/night etc you don't really need to use iDrive.

i've only used it on 2 cars though, an E92 M3 and that hideous looking (but sublimely comfortable!) 5 series gt thing.

handbraketurn

1,371 posts

167 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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sneaky schnell said:
Daniel1 said:
Negative Creep said:



Not enough buttons for my liking
or gears
I rather buttons to touchscreens, iDrive or any other type of interface.

At least when you learn when the buttons are you can use them by touch rather than having to take your eyes off the road.
Is this one for night vision goggles???

Or is that a pretty crappy picture of twin exhausts?

I do like a button with a light on it. And military grade accessories.


Munich

1,071 posts

197 months

Saturday 19th November 2011
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pwrc said:
I still don't understand why the naming went 911-930-964-993-997-998-991
REALLY gets on my nerves hehe
the "930" only refers to the Turbo version of the 911 too.