Cayman Lowering
Discussion
90% sure that's aftermarket, and I'd say the con was that it would render PASM almost utterly pointless insofar as you may not be able to turn it on. Already I find PASM too stiff for any road driving, so I'd have thought a lowered car would struggle even more - perhaps helpful on track? Also would means the OPC Warranty wouldn't be a possibility for it.
ETA: Aren't PASM cars 10mm lower than standard anyway?
ETA: Aren't PASM cars 10mm lower than standard anyway?
IMO the first car just looks wrong. I would not lower a car lower than the manufacturer does as standard. There is so much more to making a car handle better than just lowering it. You could introduce bump steer to name just one fault. If it's just because you like the look of the car lower then great but if you want a car to handle well leave it alone.
CharlesW said:
PASM is on ALL the time! It has 2 modes - Normal and Sport. I agree that the Sport mode is too stiff for most circumstances, but the Normal mode results in a very compliant ride. It greatly improves the ride on rough surfaces.
+1.Having 17" or 18" wheels makes 'Sport' mode a lot more usable.
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Matt Seabrook said:
IMO the first car just looks wrong. I would not lower a car lower than the manufacturer does as standard. There is so much more to making a car handle better than just lowering it. You could introduce bump steer to name just one fault. If it's just because you like the look of the car lower then great but if you want a car to handle well leave it alone.
IMO it looks great and purposeful. You don't particularly need to lower Boxster/Cayman as its COG is already low, but you may if you want to get more camber. You will not worsen the handling though.chris7676 said:
You will not worsen the handling though.
Do you know this for a fact? In my experience of setting up car geometry for a living lowering a car can be detrimental to bump steer. Lowering a car is likely to cause the car to roll less and some drives think the car is handling better. Of course some drivers just do not have the feel to be able to tell if a car handles well or not. Oh and it just my opinion on the look of the car. If you or anybody else likes the look that ok with me
Edited by Matt Seabrook on Friday 9th December 17:05
Actus Reus said:
90% sure that's aftermarket, and I'd say the con was that it would render PASM almost utterly pointless insofar as you may not be able to turn it on.
PASM is a Bilstein system and can be lowered with the fitting of their PSS damptronics suspension setup whilst still allowing PASM to work in the way that it does as standard. PASM is always on. The switch puts it in two different modes it does not turn it on and off and the ride is consistently 10mm lower than a standard car it does not go up and down.Matt Seabrook said:
Oh and it just my opinion on the look of the car. If you or anybody else likes the look that ok with me
Still think it looks too low from this view ?I bought the car recently and showed it with the blue car to demonstrate that it is lower than a similar PASM Cayman.
I just need to figure out what was done to it now.
I'm no driving expert but i did run another Cayman (non PASM) for 4 years before this one and the difference in how they drive is astonishing. The new one feels much more stable and planted on B roads. How much that is due to PASM and how much to the lowering i have no idea.
Hi Doozy don't wish to offend you by saying the lowered car look is wrong. It's just an opinion as I prefer the look of the standard car. Photos do not always do a car justice either and seeing something in the flesh can make a big difference. Its just I see so many cars through my workshop that have been lowered and most of them would have handled better before people started messing. If yours is better then that's great and may well have been done properly. A lot of people do not understand what the effects are on a car when it's lowered.
I think the standard Cayman S looks like it rides too high, even with 19" wheels. I have considered dropping mine but I love the way it drives and would not want to jeopardise that.
The best answer would be for the wheel arches to be smaller, not that the suspension needs to be shorter. Thats a bit of a drastic modification though!
The best answer would be for the wheel arches to be smaller, not that the suspension needs to be shorter. Thats a bit of a drastic modification though!
RudeDog said:
I think the standard Cayman S looks like it rides too high, even with 19" wheels. I have considered dropping mine but I love the way it drives and would not want to jeopardise that.
The best answer would be for the wheel arches to be smaller, not that the suspension needs to be shorter. Thats a bit of a drastic modification though!
i agree, thats why i like the pasm cars, the 10mm drop is a nice adjustment which improves the stanceThe best answer would be for the wheel arches to be smaller, not that the suspension needs to be shorter. Thats a bit of a drastic modification though!
Matt, more from the experience of running a similarly lowered Boxster (now probably a bit higher as had occasional clearing issue) - I have not experienced any bumpsteer, actually the negative side effect of the car being so low was excessive rear camber (sub 3 deg, while around 2 seems optimal).
Regarding the OP's feel of the car being more planted - this is probably the case due to stiffer springs which is normal and expected for "lowering springs". But this is just my guessing.
Regarding the OP's feel of the car being more planted - this is probably the case due to stiffer springs which is normal and expected for "lowering springs". But this is just my guessing.
Cayman R shocks and springs are - to my knowledge - a straight swap onto a Cayman S and should drop it by a similar amount. A guy in America did this mod and it certainly improves the look imo. Cayman R struts/springs also have the advantage of being designed exactly for that car and Porsche would have all the geo settings for them in house.
Maybe you've got those? Or even just the springs?
edit: Just realised the car has PASM.. seems unlikely that it would have non-PASM Cayman R shocks I guess?
Maybe you've got those? Or even just the springs?
edit: Just realised the car has PASM.. seems unlikely that it would have non-PASM Cayman R shocks I guess?
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