RE: Time for tea? Screaming Peugeot Cosworth
Thursday 15th December 2011
Today's hot water-related work-avoider is rather a long one (so you might need more than one cuppa). But we promise it's worth it.
Time for tea? Screaming Peugeot Cosworth
Celebrating the life of Andy Burton's magnificent creation
Rally fans will already know of the Cosworth V6-engined, Peugeot 306-bodied Heinz 57 beast that has been filling the forests of the UK with its distinctive cry for decades. Those who haven't heard the screaming wail of Andy Burton's beast - you're in for quite a treat.
Rally fans may also know that the BTRDA has banned this car for the 2012 season, so its like will not be seen again.
Sit back, then, and enjoys 16min 18secs of the Peugeot Cosworth sliding its way around Britain's special stages during its final season of competition...
Discussion
Firstly I did not say he was a bad driver, merely implying that the car flatters him.
Secondly, he used the car on Wales Rally GB a couple of years ago, and ran top ten times, I know of no other driver in the BTRDA championship who could do that with an FIA homologated car - e.g. WRC car, therefore that car is immense, and you could give it to Loeb and he'd be quicker in it than a WRC DS3
Thirdly, I don't like his tappity tappity on/off throttle technique which you can hear on all the vids, may be it's how the car has to be driven, but I don't hear Loeb et al driving like that.
Fourthly, he has the only car in the class, I'd like to see him take on his rivals in the same car, he might still win, but not by as much. It is IMHO for this reason why the MSA are right to ban it, it must p
s off the other competitors immensely to be beaten by the car and not the driver. Most drivers I know, compete for the fun, challenge and desire to be the best driver, and don't like it when they get beaten by a better car. For what he has spent on that he could run a competitive WRC car. And yes variety is the spice of life, but it is prohibitively expensive to build a car like that. He can go and rally on his own.
Just to clarify, I don't know the guy, and don't dislike him, just think the car flatters him.
Let's see if the pistonheads massif can argue intelligently against my points. I suspect not.
Secondly, he used the car on Wales Rally GB a couple of years ago, and ran top ten times, I know of no other driver in the BTRDA championship who could do that with an FIA homologated car - e.g. WRC car, therefore that car is immense, and you could give it to Loeb and he'd be quicker in it than a WRC DS3
Thirdly, I don't like his tappity tappity on/off throttle technique which you can hear on all the vids, may be it's how the car has to be driven, but I don't hear Loeb et al driving like that.
Fourthly, he has the only car in the class, I'd like to see him take on his rivals in the same car, he might still win, but not by as much. It is IMHO for this reason why the MSA are right to ban it, it must p
s off the other competitors immensely to be beaten by the car and not the driver. Most drivers I know, compete for the fun, challenge and desire to be the best driver, and don't like it when they get beaten by a better car. For what he has spent on that he could run a competitive WRC car. And yes variety is the spice of life, but it is prohibitively expensive to build a car like that. He can go and rally on his own.Just to clarify, I don't know the guy, and don't dislike him, just think the car flatters him.
Let's see if the pistonheads massif can argue intelligently against my points. I suspect not.
DumpTruck said:
Big shame it has to go.... big shame.. these are the sort of cars rally enthusiasts want to see on the stages ...not the constipated euro tins the tree huggers are forcing onto us...
EXACTLY the reason I stopped watching WRC and I used to be a BIG fan. Who wants to watch a sh***y little Fiesta? Fair enough they might be quick in the corners as theyre so light but theyre BORING!Jerry Can said:
Let's see if the pistonheads massif can argue intelligently against my points. I suspect not.
OK then:Jerry Can said:
Firstly I did not say he was a bad driver, merely implying that the car flatters him.
Secondly, he used the car on Wales Rally GB a couple of years ago, and ran top ten times, I know of no other driver in the BTRDA championship who could do that with an FIA homologated car - e.g. WRC car, therefore that car is immense, and you could give it to Loeb and he'd be quicker in it than a WRC DS3
For what he has spent on that he could run a competitive WRC car. And yes variety is the spice of life, but it is prohibitively expensive to build a car like that. He can go and rally on his own.
How much did it cost him? You said yourself that you don't know the guy so I'm interested in knowing how you know that he managed to spend the sort of money needed to buy and run a WRC car (A much cheaper S2000 is for sale right now for 185,000 Euros as an example) given that he built the thing in a shed?Secondly, he used the car on Wales Rally GB a couple of years ago, and ran top ten times, I know of no other driver in the BTRDA championship who could do that with an FIA homologated car - e.g. WRC car, therefore that car is immense, and you could give it to Loeb and he'd be quicker in it than a WRC DS3
For what he has spent on that he could run a competitive WRC car. And yes variety is the spice of life, but it is prohibitively expensive to build a car like that. He can go and rally on his own.
Jerry Can said:
Thirdly, I don't like his tappity tappity on/off throttle technique which you can hear on all the vids, may be it's how the car has to be driven, but I don't hear Loeb et al driving like that.
You not liking it doesn't mean it is wrong. Andy's car doesn't have anti-lag like Loeb's and therefore it is reasonable to assume it requires different throttle inputs. S2000 cars (with high revving NA engines) are often driven with the same on/off style.Jerry Can said:
Fourthly, he has the only car in the class, I'd like to see him take on his rivals in the same car, he might still win, but not by as much. It is IMHO for this reason why the MSA are right to ban it, it must ps off the other competitors immensely to be beaten by the car and not the driver. Most drivers I know, compete for the fun, challenge and desire to be the best driver, and don't like it when they get beaten by a better car.
I'm sure they are angry, Andy's car is likely to be considerably cheaper. But then if he is the only person in the class then they aren't his competitors so why ban it when it is the reason many of the fans bothered to turn up and watch, should we ban everything faster than an F1000 car? It isn't fair that people in a different class with a faster car are going faster than them, apparently.s off the other competitors immensely to be beaten by the car and not the driver. Most drivers I know, compete for the fun, challenge and desire to be the best driver, and don't like it when they get beaten by a better car.Finally, you said in another thread that Petter Solberg has 'had his chance' and implied that he should step aside for a rookie. Therefore it is safe to assume you know nothing.
Definitely a shame. I think the homologated cars are dull and I bet they are very expensive. I've got a feeling that this car is self built and that the budget wasn't astronomical. Shame to remove the brilliantly improvised machinery that would only otherwise be seen in rallycross.
Andy Burton used to campaign an Alfasud Sprint converted to RWD powered by a V6 Ferrari engine of some sort. That would be good to hear coming through the forest. A sort of home brewed Stratos!
Andy Burton used to campaign an Alfasud Sprint converted to RWD powered by a V6 Ferrari engine of some sort. That would be good to hear coming through the forest. A sort of home brewed Stratos!
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