Nissan GT-R (2012 model) vs McLaren F1

[daveco]

0-60:
2.9 seconds (GT-R)
3.2 seconds (McLaren F1)

0-100:
7.1 seconds (GT-R)
6.3 seconds (McLaren F1)

1/4 mile:
11.2 seconds (GT-R)
11.1 seconds (McLaren F1)

Nurburgring:
7:26 (GT-R time, disputed, original model) 7:34 (GT-R, non Nissan driver, original model),
7:45 (McLaren F1, estimated time with non-professional driver)


So, in the hands of a professional race driver, which would be quickest around a track like the Nurburgring?

[Monty Python]

The F1 has (allegedly) done the Nurburgring in 7' 11" in the hands of Mika Hakkinen

http://www.sps-automotive.com/en_sps/track/07Nt_zo...

[daveco]

Monty Python said:

The F1 has (allegedly) done the Nurburgring in 7' 11" in the hands of Mika Hakkinen

http://www.sps-automotive.com/en_sps/track/07Nt_zo...

The M3 CSL has a quicker time than a Gallardo or an SLR??

[thinfourth2]

Who cares?

[daveco]

thinfourth2 said:

Who cares?

Pointless replies, and over 15,000 posts.

Clearly you do.

[versus]

sick of the nurburgring being some kind of measurement of car quality. its not. its just a track.

[daveco]

versus said:

sick of the nurburgring being some kind of measurement of car quality. its not. its just a track.

In this instance, it's a long track with a varied amount of corners and camber so it's an appropriate measure of a car's handling and performance. The oft-regurgitated James May argument need not apply when overall performance is the yardstick.

[StottyZr]

I'm confused at how the F1 could be almost 1 second faster to 100 yet only 0.1 faster down the 1/4 mile.

[VR6 Turbo]

another factor, is how much have road tyres/track day tyres come on since the 1990's

VR

[RobCrezz]

On modern rubber, I would say the Mc F1.

[SWoll]

daveco said:

versus said:

sick of the nurburgring being some kind of measurement of car quality. its not. its just a track.

In this instance, it's a long track with a varied amount of corners and camber so it's an appropriate measure of a car's handling and performance. The oft-regurgitated James May argument need not apply when overall performance is the yardstick.

This. It's an excellent test of a performance car's overall ability but a ring time certainly shouldn't be seen as some sort of "holy grail".

[daveco]

StottyZr said:

I'm confused at how the F1 could be almost 1 second faster to 100 yet only 0.1 faster down the 1/4 mile.

I'd hazard a guess that the gearing of the McLaren F1 has a part to play in this though a full 1 second does seem odd.

[thiscocks]

Monty Python said:

The F1 has (allegedly) done the Nurburgring in 7' 11" in the hands of Mika Hakkinen

http://www.sps-automotive.com/en_sps/track/07Nt_zo...

I'd take those times with a pinch of salt tbh as they spell Jan Magnussen, Lan Magnussen and dont include the Jag XJ220 7:45(?) time with John Nielsen driving.

I would be v surprised if a (standard) mclaren F1 could take 30+ seconds off the XJ220

[Dave Hedgehog]

thinfourth2 said:

Who cares?

exactly

just pointless willy waving

my epenis is 0.001 seconds faster than your epenis

[alock]

StottyZr said:

I'm confused at how the F1 could be almost 1 second faster to 100 yet only 0.1 faster down the 1/4 mile.

The GTR will get off the line much quicker (launch control + 4WD). The GTR would be ahead at 1/8 mile. Once the F1 has hooked up, its rate of acceleration will be greater than that of the GTR. The 0-60 and 0-100mph times show just how much quicker it is 60-100.

They both hit the 1/4 line at about the same time but the F1 is probably doing at least 10mph more and would sail away if the drag race was longer.

[pilchardthecat]

I vote GT-R, on the basis that it can be used as device for general treansportation of people and things. I don;t give a monkey's how fast it is around someone's ring.

[daveco]

Dave Hedgehog said:

thinfourth2 said:

Who cares?

exactly

just pointless willy waving

my epenis is 0.001 seconds faster than your epenis

Are you actually interested in the progress performance cars have made? It isn't willy waving, I'm genuinely interested to hear people's opinions on which of these two cars would be quicker today. They are poles apart; one is a mid-engined, naturally aspirated, lightweight supercar with no technological gizmology, while the other is precisely the opposite. If you have no interest or no intelligent input, simply go elsewhere.

[Dave Hedgehog]

daveco said:

Are you actually interested in the progress performance cars have made? It isn't willy waving, I'm genuinely interested to hear people's opinions on which of these two cars would be quicker today. They are poles apart; one is a mid-engined, naturally aspirated, lightweight supercar with no technological gizmology, while the other is precisely the opposite. If you have no interest or no intelligent input, simply go elsewhere.

there's so many variables even for the same car that affects ring times, ultimate lap times are pretty meaningless, especially with the effort datsun take to get the optimum time, doubly so with no unbiased checks taking place

and even if you could get a level playing field of track conditions, tyre compounds, stock fuel, verified stock bhp, same driver etc it still tells the average driving enthusiast very little

the driver aids will give a little boost to a pro racer but they will give a massive boost to the average enthusiast, especially as the F1 is a pig for mere mortals, mortals times will be a lot closer to a racer in the datsun than the F1 because of the driver aids

that would be a better test of technological improvements, stick (no racing experienced) enthusiasts in both cars and compare there times to a racer to see how much the gap has come down

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Thursday 12th January 11:18

[sykotoyRS4]

daveco said:

The M3 CSL has a quicker time than a Gallardo or an SLR??

wasnt that the super charged CSL? i see it on the ring time table, but the CSL is only 30odd kilos lighter and 15hp approx than the normal version, why such a big diffeance to normal M3?

[VR6 Turbo]

daveco said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

thinfourth2 said:

Who cares?

exactly

just pointless willy waving

my epenis is 0.001 seconds faster than your epenis

Are you actually interested in the progress performance cars have made? It isn't willy waving, I'm genuinely interested to hear people's opinions on which of these two cars would be quicker today. They are poles apart; one is a mid-engined, naturally aspirated, lightweight supercar with no technological gizmology, while the other is precisely the opposite. If you have no interest or no intelligent input, simply go elsewhere.

Exactly yeah the ring isn't a good testing ground for some care that have 2 roles. but an out and out super car designed to go as fast a possible its a great place to test a setup. and an super car should be fast around the ring.

VR