Full driving license and 50cc Moped on L Plates

[jimbobsimmonds]

Hi all... Was just hoping for a clarification on the law as there seems to be a minor dispute at work today...

Can somebody with a full car driving license drive a 50cc moped on L plates without taking a CBT?

Answers on a postcare guys...

Thanks

[daz3210]

Not sure whether it depends on when you passed your test.

But my licence (Car) allows me to drive a moped WITHOUT L plates.

There was a time when passing the car test gave a full moped entitlement too. Therefore no CBT is required AFAIK.

[IT1GTR]

I think if you have a post '97 licence, then you require a CBT

[Olly RM]

Also I think the laws with regard the bike test has changed so I think you would need too.

[gunners100]

with full car license under 50cc no L plates and no cbt

[KevinA3DSG32]

Moped is not the same category as motorbike. Look at your photocard licence and if you have class p shown then that is moped. If it is not shown on the paper part as provisional then it is a full category, no L plate required.

[jimbobsimmonds]

Ok then, I'm 21 and have had my license 4 years in March, I can ride a 50cc on L-Plates?

[long time lurker]

I passed my car test in 1992 and changed my licence a few years back to a photo one (to clean points) and thanks to the new licence cat's, I now need a cbt to ride a moped!!

[mattmurdock]

long time lurker said:

I passed my car test in 1992 and changed my licence a few years back to a photo one (to clean points) and thanks to the new licence cat's, I now need a cbt to ride a moped!!

Double check your entitlements on the photocard, but that should not be the case.

If you have a full driving licence issued before 1 Feb 2001, you can ride a 50cc moped with no restrictions (aside from not driving on the motorway).

If you have a full driving licence issued after 1 Feb 2001, you can ride on L plates, but without any passengers and you need to take the CBT to upgrade to full moped entitlement as above.

[KevinA3DSG32]

jimbobsimmonds said:

Ok then, I'm 21 and have had my license 4 years in March, I can ride a 50cc on L-Plates?

Look at your licence!

If it has class p as a full entitlement you do not need L-plates, if it shows as provisional you do need L-plates. Simple as that.

[daz3210]

So to be clear.

I have held my car licence since 1987.

I still have a paper licence.

My entitlements show full licence for a moped.

Do I need a CBT?

If I change to a photo licence, should I retain the full moped with no CBT?

[mph1977]

daz3210 said:

So to be clear.

I have held my car licence since 1987.

I still have a paper licence.

My entitlements show full licence for a moped.

righto

daz3210 said:

Do I need a CBT?

no, though you'll need one to 'activate' provisional motorcycle iirc

If I change to a photo licence, should I retain the full moped with no CBT?

in theory yes along with grandfather rights to B+E, C1 and D1 unless you have a medically restricted licence. there are reports of this not happening in practice .

[okgo]

mattmurdock said:

Double check your entitlements on the photocard, but that should not be the case.

If you have a full driving licence issued before 1 Feb 2001, you can ride a 50cc moped with no restrictions (aside from not driving on the motorway).

If you have a full driving licence issued after 1 Feb 2001, you can ride on L plates, but without any passengers and you need to take the CBT to upgrade to full moped entitlement as above.

Pretty sure if its after 2001 you have to take a CBT regardless, i.e. you cannot ride a scooter without doing a CBT, and even when you have done it you will have to ride it on L plates and will not be able to take passengers.

[okgo]

jimbobsimmonds said:

Ok then, I'm 21 and have had my license 4 years in March, I can ride a 50cc on L-Plates?

No, you need to do a CBT.

Can you not use google?

[mattmurdock]

okgo said:

Pretty sure if its after 2001 you have to take a CBT regardless, i.e. you cannot ride a scooter without doing a CBT, and even when you have done it you will have to ride it on L plates and will not be able to take passengers.

As far as I knew, full car licence post 2001 effectively acts as a 'Provisional Moped' licence and allows you to ride on L plates. Taking the CBT removes the need for the L plates as it upgrades it to 'Full Moped' licence (as already given to pre-2001 full car licences).

This is in contrast to a normal 'Provisional Moped' licence, which requires both CBT AND theory/practical motorcycle tests before you get the 'Full Moped' licence.

[okgo]

"If you have a car driving licence :

If you passed your car driving test on or after 1 February 2001, you must complete a CBT course to confirm your full moped rights.

If you passed your car driving test before 1 February 2001 you don't need to complete a CBT course to ride a moped. However, the Driving Standards Agency (DSA) recommends that you do.

If you want to ride a motorcycle you must apply for a provisional motorcycle licence and then complete a CBT course"

"
When CBT is not needed

You don't have to take CBT if you have a:

* full moped licence from passing a full moped test after 1 December 1990
* full motorcycle licence for one category and want to upgrade to another

You will also be free from taking CBT if you live and ride on specified offshore islands. However, if you ride across to mainland UK you will need to complete a CBT course.
"

So it looks like you must do a CBT if you passed your driving test after 2001. And when you have done a cbt you will still need L platess...

[mattmurdock]

okgo said:

"If you have a car driving licence :

If you passed your car driving test on or after 1 February 2001, you must complete a CBT course to confirm your full moped rights.

If you passed your car driving test before 1 February 2001 you don't need to complete a CBT course to ride a moped. However, the Driving Standards Agency (DSA) recommends that you do.

If you want to ride a motorcycle you must apply for a provisional motorcycle licence and then complete a CBT course"

"
When CBT is not needed

You don't have to take CBT if you have a:

* full moped licence from passing a full moped test after 1 December 1990
* full motorcycle licence for one category and want to upgrade to another

You will also be free from taking CBT if you live and ride on specified offshore islands. However, if you ride across to mainland UK you will need to complete a CBT course.
"

So it looks like you must do a CBT if you passed your driving test after 2001. And when you have done a cbt you will still need L platess...

They are not very clear on any of the government sites on whether riding on L plates is allowed for post 2001 car licence holders before taking the CBT, but they are clear that you do not have to have L plates after the CBT.

"If you obtained your full car licence before 1 February 2001 you are automatically entitled to ride a moped without L-plates (D-plates in Wales).
If you obtained a full car licence after 1 February 2001 you must first complete a CBT course and obtain a DL 196 certificate to validate your entitlement."

[KevinA3DSG32]

mattmurdock said:

They are not very clear on any of the government sites on whether riding on L plates is allowed for post 2001 car licence holders before taking the CBT, but they are clear that you do not have to have L plates after the CBT.

"If you obtained your full car licence before 1 February 2001 you are automatically entitled to ride a moped without L-plates (D-plates in Wales).
If you obtained a full car licence after 1 February 2001 you must first complete a CBT course and obtain a DL 196 certificate to validate your entitlement."

Taken from the DVLa website:


Compulsory basic training (CBT): when and how to take it

All learner motorcycle and moped riders must complete a compulsory basic training (CBT) course before riding on the road. Find out how to take the course, and the rules that apply once you have done it.

Information for moped riders

If you are 16 and want to ride a moped or scooter on the road you must have completed a compulsory basic training course to validate your provisional licence.

That is clear that you cannot ride on the road without having passed a CBT first.

[okgo]

You can if you passed your car test before 2001. They just reccomend you do it anyway, but you do not have to.

The l plate thing is slightly more hazy, but who cares if its got an l on it or not

[caziques]

okgo said:

You can if you passed your car test before 2001. They just reccomend you do it anyway, but you do not have to.

The l plate thing is slightly more hazy, but who cares if its got an l on it or not

I once had a two pound fine for not displaying an L plate correctly on the front of a moped, so they must be very important.