HANS Device

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YRRunner

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1,652 posts

216 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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Gentlemen. Can any of you guys who use this give me a clue as to what degree I should be looking for? Is it based on type of car being driven (open cockpit, single seater, saloon, etc), is it based on the kind of driving position adopted, is it based on the kind of racing seat being used or is it simply about what works most comfortably for the individual driver? What degree do you chaps with Tuscan racers use? Many thanks. Mark.

Edited by YRRunner on Friday 20th January 17:52

wadsapple

3,346 posts

187 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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Hi Mark,

All of the above really.Go to the Schroth web site it explains it all there.I use a 20LS degree in my tuscan.

cheers p

tbdgriff500

1,647 posts

203 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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just bought one at autosport show 20 degree for a tuscan and a large for my fat boy neck!
thought it a wise investment!

Keithyboy

1,940 posts

270 months

Saturday 21st January 2012
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I've been using a 20 degree Schroth Hans in the Tuscan for the past couple of years - that's the one to go for unless you plan driving prone! biggrin

YRRunner

Original Poster:

1,652 posts

216 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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Thanks guys. 20 degree it is then. Pity I couldn't make Autosport this year, could've saved myself some dosh.

wadsapple

3,346 posts

187 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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Mark,

Just a heads up, stricktly speaking you should use hans compatable belts.I needed new belts at donington last year so got them then.The hans belts fit perfectly into the channel that runs over your shoulders instead of pushing the belts over towards your neck to get 3" belts to run inside the guide rails.I was only asked once last year out of 22 scrutineering checks to make sure my belts were hans compatable if i was using a hans devise.Not sure with out reading blue book if it is a regulation rather than an over zelus scrut.

YRRunner

Original Poster:

1,652 posts

216 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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wadsapple said:
Mark,

Just a heads up, stricktly speaking you should use hans compatable belts.I needed new belts at donington last year so got them then.The hans belts fit perfectly into the channel that runs over your shoulders instead of pushing the belts over towards your neck to get 3" belts to run inside the guide rails.I was only asked once last year out of 22 scrutineering checks to make sure my belts were hans compatable if i was using a hans devise.Not sure with out reading blue book if it is a regulation rather than an over zelus scrut.
Phew, thanks Perry. As much as I keep believing I've cracked the list of "must haves", something new keeps cropping up. I guess I'll just have to get used to not always having all of the knowledge, all of the time. Really appreciate the advice and insight.

Guillotine

5,516 posts

264 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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It IS a Reg.
Scrute fail (if spotted and they are usually quite keen on belts/dates).

NTEL

5,051 posts

240 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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I use a Sabelt 6 point harness with 3" shoulder straps and never been challenged but it is important to mount your harness properly.

Here is an interesting thread, 3 years old but still relevant I believe, with comments from HANS:

http://www.trackpedia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=...

and from the HANS website they confirm 2" and 3" are both OK

http://hansdevice.com/s.nl/sc.5/category.22/.f




Edited by NTEL on Monday 23 January 21:53

Guillotine

5,516 posts

264 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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Right, checked this.

MSA just "refer to FIA regs".


FIA state "correct size" for restraint.
There are 3" and special 2" shoulder strap FIA harnesses

Hans needs a 3" (70mm) standard strap OR
a 2" strap marked "for hans device" if required for your specific device. (small sizes I guess)


A


teamHOLDENracing

5,089 posts

267 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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You can use 3" straps with a HANS device.

You can also use 2" HANS specific straps with a HANS device.

You CANNOT use 2" HANS straps if not wearing a HANS.

A scrute will never pull you up for having 3" straps when using a HANS because it is perfectly acceptable to use them. They will prevent you from racing if you present a car with 2" straps but no HANS.

Goes without saying whatever you use must be FIA approved, have all labels present and intact, be in date and have no nicks or fraying in the fabric anywhere. You should also bin them after a frontal shunt as they are designed to stretch.

The date label really is nonsense - belts don't deteriorate in 5 years (except perhaps if you lesave them in the sun all that time). What they really should have is tell tale stitching that shows if the belt has stretched in an impact - easily done, but for some reason the FIA use a 5 year life as a proxy. Daft....

Keithyboy

1,940 posts

270 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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teamHOLDENracing said:
You can use 3" straps with a HANS device.

You can also use 2" HANS specific straps with a HANS device.

You CANNOT use 2" HANS straps if not wearing a HANS.

A scrute will never pull you up for having 3" straps when using a HANS because it is perfectly acceptable to use them. They will prevent you from racing if you present a car with 2" straps but no HANS.

Goes without saying whatever you use must be FIA approved, have all labels present and intact, be in date and have no nicks or fraying in the fabric anywhere. You should also bin them after a frontal shunt as they are designed to stretch.

The date label really is nonsense - belts don't deteriorate in 5 years (except perhaps if you lesave them in the sun all that time). What they really should have is tell tale stitching that shows if the belt has stretched in an impact - easily done, but for some reason the FIA use a 5 year life as a proxy. Daft....
Agree with all that Andy - having just bought myself a brand new set of 3" belts at the show! 3" have been fine (for me) with the Hans over the past couple of years - no problems at all and in fact I only remember I'm wearing the Hans when putting on the helmet and always forget after a race and wonder why I can't get the thing off my head! biggrin

YRRunner

Original Poster:

1,652 posts

216 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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Very helpful Guys, thanks. I was wondering why one model has moulded shoulder strap guides, and yet the more expensive Pro Carbon doesn't. I'm guessing the moulded strap guides are specifically for 2" Schroth belts.

Schroth Sport


Schroth Pro Carbon

NTEL

5,051 posts

240 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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I use the "sport" and the 3" belts fit lovely. Like Keith says, you don't realise your wearing it after a while. Very Comfy.

TVRleigh_BBWR

6,552 posts

213 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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NTEL said:
I use the "sport" and the 3" belts fit lovely. Like Keith says, you don't realise your wearing it after a while. Very Comfy.
Yes I've got the "sport" also with 3" when I got my Harness I made sure it was HANS compatible, I think the main point is it's adjustable enough to have the adjuster in the right place.

As said the 1st time you use it, its a bit awkward, but after that you get used to it, unless you have to spin and have to look behind yourself.

Obiwonkeyblokey

5,399 posts

240 months

Monday 30th January 2012
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Hi Leigh

Have you got the "vision" harnesses (straps)on your Hans? This allows you to turn your head left and right. I didnt have them when I bought my Hans 4 years ago but its an easy upgrade and they come as standard on all new Hans devices.

O

TVRleigh_BBWR

6,552 posts

213 months

Monday 30th January 2012
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Obiwonkeyblokey said:
Hi Leigh

Have you got the "vision" harnesses (straps)on your Hans? This allows you to turn your head left and right. I didnt have them when I bought my Hans 4 years ago but its an easy upgrade and they come as standard on all new Hans devices.

O
No I don't (even though I got mine last year at auto sport) will look into upgrading it.

Thank you
Leigh

YRRunner

Original Poster:

1,652 posts

216 months

Wednesday 1st February 2012
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tbdgriff500 said:
just bought one at autosport show 20 degree for a tuscan and a large for my fat boy neck!
thought it a wise investment!
Can I ask how much it was at Autosport? Just trying to gauge whether it's worth me asking my son in California to buy and ship one over for me. Apparently the only difference between Pro and Sport is the weight (the Pro being CF), other than that they work exactly the same. US EBay at current exchange rate gets me into a 20 degree Sport for about £340 (plus shipping, but that's fairly cheap from the US). How does that compare with special offer/autosport show discounts? Many thanks!

tbdgriff500

1,647 posts

203 months

Wednesday 1st February 2012
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YRRunner said:
Can I ask how much it was at Autosport? Just trying to gauge whether it's worth me asking my son in California to buy and ship one over for me. Apparently the only difference between Pro and Sport is the weight (the Pro being CF), other than that they work exactly the same. US EBay at current exchange rate gets me into a 20 degree Sport for about £340 (plus shipping, but that's fairly cheap from the US). How does that compare with special offer/autosport show discounts? Many thanks!
i bought the cheapest version as weight is not realy an issue, £360 inc vat

Guillotine

5,516 posts

264 months

Wednesday 1st February 2012
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I think these are about the cheapest...
Merlin at Castle Combe.

http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p17018/STAND-21-...