Indy selling a car with Porsche warranty?
Discussion
Am I right in thinking that if a car ~(still under OPC warranty) is traded to an indy, then the remaining warranty period is void? ie. the car above is either being sold on behalf of a private seller (in which case my contract is with the seller I assume, so a private sale), or the advert is incorrect?
Edited by bungle on Friday 10th February 16:46
3rd party dealers are finding ways round it,
Ie. saying "we are selling this for a customer"
I guess if found out by Porsche and you go in for a warranty repair they could say no.
Porsche have been very wise to warranty and 2nd hand sales offerding 2 years was very clever, makes 3rd party cars look expensive to me these days.
Rather buy private and get a cheaper car, at least you get to see who owned it.
I bought a OPC car this time as 3rd party cars were just to expensive and none offered a good warranty.
RSJ and hartech did the wise thing and offer their own warranty, other need to follw suit imo.
Ie. saying "we are selling this for a customer"
I guess if found out by Porsche and you go in for a warranty repair they could say no.
Porsche have been very wise to warranty and 2nd hand sales offerding 2 years was very clever, makes 3rd party cars look expensive to me these days.
Rather buy private and get a cheaper car, at least you get to see who owned it.
I bought a OPC car this time as 3rd party cars were just to expensive and none offered a good warranty.
RSJ and hartech did the wise thing and offer their own warranty, other need to follw suit imo.
Porsche judge it on to whom the new owner has paid the money. If they've paid the dealer they won't continue the warranty, if they've paid the owner direct they will.
A dealer can therefore make it work by ensuring the buyer pays the seller direct and taking a commission from the seller for the introduction.
A bit like an Estate Agent.
Except with cars not houses.
And probably without a shiny grey suit and tidy haircut.
A dealer can therefore make it work by ensuring the buyer pays the seller direct and taking a commission from the seller for the introduction.
A bit like an Estate Agent.
Except with cars not houses.
And probably without a shiny grey suit and tidy haircut.
Thanks all. This ^^^^^ seems the only way they could make it work, so you're not really buying a dealer car at all, the private seller is just making use of the dealers forecourt / advertising / reputation(?) etc, to help him sell the car.
So there's no reason why you would pay any more than a "private sale price" as you're not really buying from a dealer at all (though the private sale comes with 18m remaining OPC warranty).
I'll have to speak to them to see how they would anticipate any sale working.
So there's no reason why you would pay any more than a "private sale price" as you're not really buying from a dealer at all (though the private sale comes with 18m remaining OPC warranty).
I'll have to speak to them to see how they would anticipate any sale working.
OK, it seems that, "officially", the warranty is invalid (as per Porsche extended warranty T&Cs), but given that the OPCs don't have any knowledge of who you bought the car from then how would they know? The car is showing as having an extended warranty on their system, and it just gets transferred into your name (not sure what the process is). I guess it makes sense in a way, as the OPC wants the warranty work (if there is any), so they are perhaps willing not to ask how you acquired the car.
Also, I have been told that after owning the car for 30 days you can also extend the warranty past the original expiry date (presumably to "secure" the additional period at today's price, in case of future increases?). Does this then make it any more "official" as they have accepted your extension to the warranty in your name?
mmm... if the original seller had been private, and the warranty transfer was completely straightforward, I would have been more comfortable, especially with the good spec, but the inherent "greyness" of it makes me nervous I think. I'm not sure if at any point in the future I would ever be certain I had a watertight warranty?
Any opinions/advice/thoughts? I have no experience of dealing with OPCs so I'm in the dark a little here. Thanks.
Also, I have been told that after owning the car for 30 days you can also extend the warranty past the original expiry date (presumably to "secure" the additional period at today's price, in case of future increases?). Does this then make it any more "official" as they have accepted your extension to the warranty in your name?
mmm... if the original seller had been private, and the warranty transfer was completely straightforward, I would have been more comfortable, especially with the good spec, but the inherent "greyness" of it makes me nervous I think. I'm not sure if at any point in the future I would ever be certain I had a watertight warranty?
Any opinions/advice/thoughts? I have no experience of dealing with OPCs so I'm in the dark a little here. Thanks.
bungle said:
OK, it seems that, "officially", the warranty is invalid (as per Porsche extended warranty T&Cs), but given that the OPCs don't have any knowledge of who you bought the car from then how would they know? The car is showing as having an extended warranty on their system, and it just gets transferred into your name (not sure what the process is). I guess it makes sense in a way, as the OPC wants the warranty work (if there is any), so they are perhaps willing not to ask how you acquired the car.
Also, I have been told that after owning the car for 30 days you can also extend the warranty past the original expiry date (presumably to "secure" the additional period at today's price, in case of future increases?). Does this then make it any more "official" as they have accepted your extension to the warranty in your name?
mmm... if the original seller had been private, and the warranty transfer was completely straightforward, I would have been more comfortable, especially with the good spec, but the inherent "greyness" of it makes me nervous I think. I'm not sure if at any point in the future I would ever be certain I had a watertight warranty?
Any opinions/advice/thoughts? I have no experience of dealing with OPCs so I'm in the dark a little here. Thanks.
From specific experience as a dealer selling a car (Cayenne Turbo) when there was no "90 day minimum ownership period", I had the car prep'd such that it passed the 111 point check, the customer collected the car, drove to the OPC (5 miles) and bought the warranty (could have done it by phone). Porsche GB subsequently got in touch to refund his money as there was already 3 or 4 months warranty remaining. He was clear to them that he'd just bought the car from a non-OPC dealer and they said it didn't matter, the remaining warranty was transferred to him and they issued a refund.Also, I have been told that after owning the car for 30 days you can also extend the warranty past the original expiry date (presumably to "secure" the additional period at today's price, in case of future increases?). Does this then make it any more "official" as they have accepted your extension to the warranty in your name?
mmm... if the original seller had been private, and the warranty transfer was completely straightforward, I would have been more comfortable, especially with the good spec, but the inherent "greyness" of it makes me nervous I think. I'm not sure if at any point in the future I would ever be certain I had a watertight warranty?
Any opinions/advice/thoughts? I have no experience of dealing with OPCs so I'm in the dark a little here. Thanks.
On a moral basis there's no reason why the warranty people should use the fact that the car's passed to a dealer as an excuse to cease carrying the risk for which they've been paid.
"On a moral basis there's no reason why the warranty people should use the fact that the car's passed to a dealer as an excuse to cease carrying the risk for which they've been paid"
rules are rules though now Porsche seem to be able to enforce them.
Again makes 3rd party cars have to be much much cheaper for a sale as you CANNOT sell it with a Porsche warranty.
And then you have to have owned it 90 days before you can get a warranty and pay your £220 inspection.
May as well buy private or OPC and not off 3rd party was my outcome of it all. unless of course the 3rd party car is 3k cheaper then the OPC one.
rules are rules though now Porsche seem to be able to enforce them.
Again makes 3rd party cars have to be much much cheaper for a sale as you CANNOT sell it with a Porsche warranty.
And then you have to have owned it 90 days before you can get a warranty and pay your £220 inspection.
May as well buy private or OPC and not off 3rd party was my outcome of it all. unless of course the 3rd party car is 3k cheaper then the OPC one.
thegoose said:
On a moral basis there's no reason why the warranty people should use the fact that the car's passed to a dealer as an excuse to cease carrying the risk for which they've been paid.
Thanks, that's useful. Morally, absolutely agree. But, being a glass-half-empty type person, legally couldn't they (if they were having a bad day / just been stung for a big warranty cost somewhere else etc) just tell to me f#ck off if 6 months down the line the engine blows up and they tell me I'm not covered. This is potentially making a rod for my own back, but if I contacted Porsche GB about it upfront, and explained the situation, are they likely to confirm to me (in writing) that the warranty stays intact, regardless of what it says in the T&Cs (effectively the situation you explained above)? But (again being the pessimist) if they did that, what would be the point of them having that particular T&C in the 1st place?!
It's just a commercial thing, not a moral one. Porsche want to sell 2nd hand cars and their trump is a 2 year warranty for which they can charge a premium. They made the changes a few years back to stop indis selling cars with official warrantys and undercutting the OPC on 2nd hand cars.
A private seller, however can transfer the warranty to a private buyer.
So, it boils down to who is selling the car. If a private seller pays a "dealer" to advertise their car, rather than paying PH or AT, then its a private sale. If the dealer sells the car, then it's not a private sale and the warranty can't be transferred.
A private seller, however can transfer the warranty to a private buyer.
So, it boils down to who is selling the car. If a private seller pays a "dealer" to advertise their car, rather than paying PH or AT, then its a private sale. If the dealer sells the car, then it's not a private sale and the warranty can't be transferred.
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