RE: PH Blog: England v Germany

RE: PH Blog: England v Germany

Wednesday 15th February 2012

PH Blog: England v Germany

Is the Jaguar XKR-S good enough to take on Germany's best?



I was seconds away from boarding my flight to San Diego to drive the Jaguar XKR-S Convertible (more on this shortly) on Sunday when a final check of emails included the press release and photos for the new BMW M6. Which provided plenty of food for thought as I mulled over specs and pricing for both cars on the flight over.

£100K 500hp+ convertibles: BMW or Jag then?
£100K 500hp+ convertibles: BMW or Jag then?
On paper the two square up pretty close; the M6's new-school twin-turbo V8 punches hard with 560hp against the Jag's 550hp and neither will see you much change from £100K (M6 £93,795 coupe, £98,995 cabrio and the XKR-S a burly £97,000 and £103,000 respectively). If it matters the BMW's brutal power delivery shaves a couple of tenths off the Jaguar's 4.4-second 0-62mph time but to all intents and purposes they're closely matched by the numbers.

Experience of the M5 suggests they'll be chalk and cheese to drive though. I hope BMW has engineered a tad more character into the M6, though I fear the new M mantra is more about crushing dominance and shock and awe rather than engagement. We'll see but the market for £100K, 500hp-plus mega GTs shows no signs of slowing down. I'm still stunned by the fact BMW sold 14,000 previous generation M6s too - that seems an astonishing number for such a focused and divisive car.

Down on power but not much else
Down on power but not much else
We'll have to see what the Jag and M6 drive like back to back but the XKR-S is facing a pretty mighty contender. The Jag is a relatively old car, even if its aluminium construction and updated engine are right up there. And whatever quibbles one might have with BMW's current direction the M6 looks the business, inside and out.

I've always found placing the XK and its derivatives a little difficult. Instinctively I'd put it in the SL and 6 Series bracket of grown-up sporting GTs but in R and R-S form and dynamically speakingthe Jag overlaps with certain 911s and nibbles at the heels of Aston Martin too.

Ah yes, the 911. The Jag, even in £78K, 510hp R form, trumps the Porsche on the numbers. But it's not going to be hard to be nudging £100K with a well-specced Carrera S in coupe and cabrio form. Horsepower deficit (for now) or not, the 911 is another brand new German contender from a manufacturer at the top of its game. It'll take more than a bit of raffish charm to make an XKR-S a convincing choice against the 911, new SL and M6 but the XKR-S plays to Jag's strengths and, it was hinted at the press conference, leaves headroom for an even more focused version for chasing GT3s on track.

Burnout officer? What burnout?
Burnout officer? What burnout?
The Americans certainly love the Jag anyway, getting lots of enthusiastic attention wherever we went. Not least from a thankfully friendly member of the local Sheriff's department who pulled up mere seconds after I found out how to properly disable the DSC. I'm sure he'd clocked the fresh black lines on the tarmac in front of him and could probably still smell the tyre smoke but admitted he'd have never got near us in his Ford Escape patrol vehicle. "Like we always say though, you can outrun the car but you can't outrun the radio..." Noted.

Dan

Author
Discussion

harrisont5267

Original Poster:

6 posts

195 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
I'd take the jag. Every time...

Dave Hedgehog

14,550 posts

204 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
the jags just a bit to barry for me

stanza

83 posts

226 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
I'd take the Jag for the looks, and the great soundtrack against the sterile german competition.

A bit to "barry"???? In English someone.

stanza

83 posts

226 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
I'd take the Jag for the looks, and the great soundtrack against the sterile german competition.

A bit to "barry"???? In English someone.

cerb4.5lee

30,585 posts

180 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
M6 please.

Output Flange

16,798 posts

211 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
I love the idea of the Jag - loads of power, a bit old-skool in the way it drives etc etc.

But why does it need to look like that? Fewer vents and a bit more subtlety would be great.

jbi

12,671 posts

204 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
Jag for me too smile

The german stuff leaves me cold

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

152 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
I would be put off the Jag knowing they have ruined the shape a little. The 'boggo' (ahem) XKR looks prettier

Dave Hedgehog

14,550 posts

204 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
stanza said:
I'd take the Jag for the looks, and the great soundtrack against the sterile german competition.

A bit to "barry"???? In English someone.
to many plastic bolt ons, max power, chav, driven through a shop window in halfords

the stock car is near perfect it just needed a light enhancement, as it is I would put it in the badly modified thread

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
911.
Not going to jump on the Jag boat simply because they're English.

kambites

67,561 posts

221 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
The Jag does look particularly stupid with all those vents and wings all over it so purely on looks I'd say XKR > BMW > XKR-S.

I haven't driven either to comment on how they drive. frown


I strongly suspect that I'd end up taking a 911 over either, though.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
kambites said:
The Jag does look particularly stupid with all those vents and wings all over it so purely on looks I'd say XKR > BMW > XKR-S.
I have a strong feeling when they were designing the XKR-S they were thinking of footballers who'll buy this car.

Dave Hedgehog

14,550 posts

204 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
PSBuckshot said:
kambites said:
The Jag does look particularly stupid with all those vents and wings all over it so purely on looks I'd say XKR > BMW > XKR-S.
I have a strong feeling when they were designing the XKR-S they were thinking of footballers who'll buy this car.
it certainly wouldn't look out of place with a WAYNE COLEEN sunstrip

Dr G

15,173 posts

242 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
Output Flange said:
I love the idea of the Jag - loads of power, a bit old-skool in the way it drives etc etc.

But why does it need to look like that? Fewer vents and a bit more subtlety would be great.
I was thinking the same thing; the standard car is prettier but I'm sure that big, charged V8 is epic.

AyBee

10,533 posts

202 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
Think I prefer the M6 tbh boxedin

Twoshoe

854 posts

184 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
Jag for me too please, although I think it's beginning to show its years stylistically (imho of course)

Digga

40,317 posts

283 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
Dave Hedgehog said:
the jags just a bit to barry for me
FWIW, I think it's time we Brits embraced our inner Barry.

Triple7

4,013 posts

237 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
Head says 911, but my heart says Jaguar. (The same process has let me down dreadfully on the stock market :shock: )

drivin_me_nuts

17,949 posts

211 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
M6. The Jaguar in all its plastic fantastic ways is just plain old ugly. BFGW vs uber frau..

Alfa159Ti

827 posts

157 months

Wednesday 15th February 2012
quotequote all
stanza said:
I'd take the Jag for the looks, and the great soundtrack against the sterile german competition.

A bit to "barry"???? In English someone.
Never come across that expression before?

Roughly translates as a bit tacky or 'Max Power- esque':

E.g.. "Stanza's Corsa was starting to look a bit barry since he had fitted the whale tail spoiler and quad exhaust."