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The cape

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46 posts

39 months

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Thursday 23rd February 2012 quote quote all
Anyone know if there's anyone out there doing a db5 replica? Would have thought it would be pretty damn popular.....if Aston were to allow it.

John_S4x4

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144 months

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Although not the same, you can now buy a new Peerless chassis and body and quite a few other bits.

I agree, it would be nice to have a DB5 or Zagato kit, that was affordable.
What engine would you want in it ?

PAUL. S

602 posts

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slomax

3,608 posts

79 months

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PAUL. S said:
not a 5 but a nice 4 based on a db7

http://www.studio434.co.uk/DB4-Zagato-build-Diary_...
oh good god yes biggrin

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193 posts

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Stuart Mills

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93 months

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I do recall someone starting a DB5 replica project a couple of years ago.
I think it would be great fun if a few turned up at a kit car show, tux wearing drivers of course.
So a Jag straight 6 then as a donor and if anyone can borrow an old DB5 waiting restoration I will gladly take moulds of it.
Known as "the worlds most famous car" it is not that hard to do, handles off a Riley, lights from Landrover series 1, glass is still available, bumpers were hand made but over riders were of an old London taxi.
Just get me the buck then and I will turn it around. There are 2 original wooden bucks sat in Aston restoration garages, I measured them once, one is about 30mm wider then the other!
We need a tatty complete car to do this.

ColinM50

1,239 posts

62 months

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Stuart Mills said:
We need a tatty complete car to do this.
Can't help with the body buck, but put me down for kit #1 please.

The cape

Original Poster:

46 posts

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Monday 27th February 2012 quote quote all
So here we go folks..... All we need is somebody with a contact to get our hands on a body just long enough to take some moulds....and we are off and running.

There must be someone out there.....

ColinM50

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Just googled to see if there's any for hire but no joy. But blow me down, the going price to buy one seems to be around £300K.

On that basis the chance of finding an owner willing to risk letting Stuart take a mould of his car must be pretty low. I know when I've taken moulds off stuff in the past, it's around 85% chance that the mould comes off clean without sticking. Imagine if you've got 10-20 kilos of mouldmaking grp on a DB5 body and it sticks and won't come off. How do you explain that to the owner.

rdodger

939 posts

90 months

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Monday 27th February 2012 quote quote all
This sounds like the 80's! Hire a Countach and quickly make a mould. Was it Tim Dutton that hired one and got the mould stuck?

JNR77

216 posts

125 months

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Tuesday 28th February 2012 quote quote all
After seeing the DB4 Zagato replica been made on a DB7 chassis i have been thinking why doesnt someone offer a DB5 replica. A Jaguar or BMW would make a good doner vehicle.

If you couldnt get someone to lend you a car to take moulds of how about using lastest CAD 3D modeling tech and have the buck machined out of polystyrene.

for the last 20 - 30 years The replica market generally seems to be centred around Cobra, GT40, lotus 7 and a hand full of others. whilst the kits have improved with time and now utilise latest CAD for chassis design etc the silhouettes of the industry have generally remained the same.

Using modern technology someone should create somthing new and try to move things on a bit.

Bring on an accurate DB5 replica

yeti

10,322 posts

162 months

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JNR77 said:
Bring on an accurate DB5 replica
Would you try and take it to AMOC meets and pass it off as a real one? Just curious. Not sure how a fake Aston is any different to a fake MR-2 based Ferrari. I considfer those to be a 'bad' concept no matter how good they look.

It seems different with racing cars like the GT40 or Cobra, even the DBR1, although I am not sure why.

I hope to have a replica XKSS built in the future, certainly won't be passing that off as real, it's just a touring-useable D-Type replica so keps that replica-race car feel. Wondering what makes an acceptable replica and what doesn't in the eyes of enthusiasts?

That DB7 -> DB4 is a heck of an achievement and somehow using an Aston seem to make it fairly OK. With a V12 and auto box it's never going to try be passed off as an original, but what a great concept. Would I own one... no.

fuoriserie

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PAUL. S said:
not a 5 but a nice 4 based on a db7

http://www.studio434.co.uk/DB4-Zagato-build-Diary_...
That is stunning....I love it...clap, thanks for the link....smile

Italo

JNR77

216 posts

125 months

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personally I would never try and pass a replica off as a genuine one, but create an accurate recreation true to the original external design. Purpose designed and engineered chassis to create somthing that drives well, maybe using modern mechanics.



Edited by JNR77 on Tuesday 28th February 17:33

The cape

Original Poster:

46 posts

39 months

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The studio 434 is exactly the kind of thing I had in mind, brilliantly done. Not sure I'd cut up a real Aston to make it though!!

Might be a stupid question but how upset could Aston get about it?? Would they bother to persue a low volume under the radar replica?

qdos

761 posts

97 months

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The cape said:
Might be a stupid question but how upset could Aston get about it?? Would they bother to persue a low volume under the radar replica?
Correct it is. Yes they do, and they have told people to stop. If you use key elements of Aston's styling you will very likely get a letter from the legal department. It has already happened.

slomax

3,608 posts

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The cape said:
Not sure I'd cut up a real Aston to make it though!!
I dont know how similar, in physical dimensions, a Jaguar xk8 is, but you can pick these up now for circa £5k. I wouldnt have thought these are too much different to the db7 in terms of overhangs and wheelbase, it would certainly make a good base for a performance classically styled rebody....thoughts?

agcmidas

17 posts

45 months

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qdos said:
The cape said:
Might be a stupid question but how upset could Aston get about it?? Would they bother to persue a low volume under the radar replica?
Correct it is. Yes they do, and they have told people to stop. If you use key elements of Aston's styling you will very likely get a letter from the legal department. It has already happened.
The cars that qdos is referring to were MX5 based replicas of recent Aston Martins, models that are protected as registered designs. In one case the replica has reappeared with revised radiator grille and rear lights losing those "key elements of Aston's styling".

However, the maximum period of protection for a registered design is 25 years, so any protection that might have applied to the DB5 is long expired. Aston may not be happy about a DB5 replica but they cannot stop anyone producing one, anymore than AC/Shelby/Ford can stop Cobra or GT40 replicas.

The other pertinent area of legislation is trademark law. Unlike registered designs, there is no time limit for a registered trade mark.

If you are going to sell a DB5 replica you cannot stick Aston Martin badges on your demonstrator cars. Well you can, but you would be asking for trouble.
Several Ferrari replica vendors got cease and desist notices last year for the badges on their cars. There is nothing to stop the owner of a replica from buying Ferrari badges from a Ferrari dealer(and they seem quite happy to sell anyone the badges)and using the badges on their own car.

But if you attempt to sell replicas commercially (i.e. more than one) then sticking trademarked badges on your cars is not just breaking the trademark laws, but may also be adjudged to be passing off. Effectively, if you stick Aston Martin badges on your demonstrator cars, Aston Martin could use the argument that you are trying to pass off your replica as having Aston Martin's approval.
When BMW launched the new MINI they sent cease and desist notices to a lot of classic Mini specialists telling them to stop displaying Mini trademarked signage on their premises and in their adverts. BMW wanted to control the use of the Mini name for the benefit of their official dealers.

The cape

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Sunday 11th March 2012 quote quote all
agcmidas said:
However, the maximum period of protection for a registered design is 25 years, so any protection that might have applied to the DB5 is long expired. Aston may not be happy about a DB5 replica but they cannot stop anyone producing one, anymore than AC/Shelby/Ford can stop Cobra or GT40 replicas.

Is this True??! Surely they would have reinstated the protection/copyright?

agcmidas

17 posts

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The cape said:
agcmidas said:
However, the maximum period of protection for a registered design is 25 years, so any protection that might have applied to the DB5 is long expired. Aston may not be happy about a DB5 replica but they cannot stop anyone producing one, anymore than AC/Shelby/Ford can stop Cobra or GT40 replicas.

Is this True??! Surely they would have reinstated the protection/copyright?
Yes it is. The protection of industrial designs is explained quite well here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_design_rig...

For the benefit of those who cannot be bothered to follow the link, registering a design can give up to 25 years protection. The initial registration gives five years protection and then can be renewed for up to four more five year periods.

The DB5 came out in 1963, so if Aston Martin had registered the design and renewed it, the protection would have run out in 1988.

In reality, I doubt that the DB5 was registered as very few car companies bothered to protect their designs until fairly recently.
An unregistered design gets automatic protection for three years from the date that the design is first made public, but is harder to defend in court.
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