RE: PH Blog: back from the magistrates

RE: PH Blog: back from the magistrates

Wednesday 29th February 2012

PH Blog: back from the magistrates

Is Harris insured? A computer somewhere says no and our man has his day in court



The Passat TDI recorded an excellent 47mpg on the way to Swansea Magistrates Court this morning.

I had been summoned to answer an accusation of driving whilst uninsured. I went in person because I knew this not to be the case and wanted the chance to present documents that proved as much. In the event, the case was dropped and I walked away with a slightly better understanding of the way the DVLA monitors vehicle insurance.

Sometime last year I received a note in the post saying that a car registered in my name was uninsured. I assumed at the time that a surveillance vehicle had taken a photograph of the car, cross-checked the license plate against the DVLA database and, for whatever reason, found no record of insurance cover. The car was listed on a larger fleet policy.

It turns out no photograph was taken, instead the DVLA now cross-references licensed vehicles on the road and checks the insurance details. I'm assuming it's an automated process.

It turns out that my car wasn't on the database, nor was it a second time when the DVLA checked forcing a summons, but it was there last week when they made one final check, so all's good with the world.

Am I stroppy at being hauled to Swansea? Not at all.

I view this in just the same way I do inconveniently lengthy conversations at border controls. Yes, they take time, but the rigour proves that people are doing their job. And we shouldn't like people who drive uninsured.

So any process that proactively searches for uninsured vehicles is a good thing. If there is a problem, and sadly this will always be the case with these automated processes, it's that there is zero tolerance for anomalous circumstances. It is entirely possible to end up in court having done nothing illegal, purely because of a clerical error. This does seem slightly harsh.

The system also seems heavily weighted towards individual, private owners too. Just as it now appears impossible to tax a car without a cover note that bears the same address as the V5 document, so drivers with valid insurance through fleet schemes and such like could find themselves, like I did, in a spot of bother.

It is also a problem for those who like to SORN classics in winter and aren't too handy with paperwork. You can quickly find yourself receiving lots of threatening letters.

Most at risk is the honest motor trader. Blurring the lines between stock and personal transportation now looks like a risky business, which is a shame because I've always suspected that half the supercars you enjoy seeing in public are actually driven by traders forgoing a bit of profit margin for their love of exotics.

If you want to check whether your car is listed on the Motor Insurance Database, head here.

Chris

 

 

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Greenwich Ross

Original Poster:

1,219 posts

173 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Yay! I'm insured! No trip to Swansea for me, boyo.

Ninjajim76

46 posts

172 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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I'm safe too.... quite an interesting tool - I put in the reg numbers for some of the cars I used to own - amazing that some of them are still on the road!

David87

6,658 posts

212 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Ninjajim76 said:
I'm safe too.... quite an interesting tool - I put in the reg numbers for some of the cars I used to own - amazing that some of them are still on the road!
You didn't read point 2, did you? You're going to prison. Maybe. hehe

Greenwich Ross

Original Poster:

1,219 posts

173 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Is there an app for this? Would be fun to check out Transit vans a wide variety of vehicles whilst out and about.

Garlick

40,601 posts

240 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Ninjajim76 said:
I'm safe too.... quite an interesting tool - I put in the reg numbers for some of the cars I used to own - amazing that some of them are still on the road!
You ticked a box to say you were the registered keeper. oh dear.....

cop
judge

The Danimal

178 posts

155 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Greenwich Ross said:
Is there an app for this? Would be fun to check out Transit vans a wide variety of vehicles whilst out and about.
Yes there is but it's called ANPR and you need a police patrol car as an extra. smile

Greenwich Ross

Original Poster:

1,219 posts

173 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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The Danimal said:
Greenwich Ross said:
Is there an app for this? Would be fun to check out Transit vans a wide variety of vehicles whilst out and about.
Yes there is but it's called ANPR and you need a police patrol car as an extra. smile
How does one download a police patrol car?

matthias73

2,883 posts

150 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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The Danimal said:
Greenwich Ross said:
Is there an app for this? Would be fun to check out Transit vans a wide variety of vehicles whilst out and about.
Yes there is but it's called ANPR and you need a police patrol car as an extra. smile
become a special constable

The Wookie

13,948 posts

228 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Sorry but I just don't understand how a day spent, unpaid, travelling to Wales to be intimidated by the DVLA is a reassuring sign of people doing their jobs properly. It's not, it's the sign of a faceless, incompetent organisation with far too much power churning out revenue by officiously implementing clerical law using a flawed database.

If there was any bloody sense to the system somewhere along the way they'd have some cretin in a cubicle making phone calls or sending letters to ensure that the database is correct and they don't end up wasting tax payer money on pointless court cases.

Jamesp24

309 posts

170 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Did you exit the car park in a blaze of tyre smoke and a dab of oppo : )

stuckmojo

2,979 posts

188 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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hopefully you got your travel costs back. Otherwise I'd be very annoyed if I were you. Their failure, their cost.

Prof Prolapse

16,160 posts

190 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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So because they couldn't get their act together you were guilty until proven innocent? Erm... That isn't right.

You might not be pissed off Chris, but some of us aren't fortunate enough that we can just pop off to Swansea as a result of a clerical error.

"I was told I guilty of fraud last week and told that I would fined thousands of pounds if I didn't turn up in court some several hundred miles away. It's OK though, because it shows they're doing their job properly.".... No it doesn't Chris, it shows they're utter bureaucratic aholes.

sanctum

191 posts

175 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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I believe you are owed a day's holiday or the value thereof as you were summond to attend court under false pretenses.

Certainly I would be looking to recover all associated costs with losing a days earnings and the travel involved. Personally, as I'm paid by the day, I'd have lost a significant sum. Your average joe would have lost a days holiday at the very least (or had an unexpected doctors appointment <cough!>) so should be recompensed.

I wonder how much these compensation costs ammount to over the year which, of course, come out of the government coffers, and how much good that money could do elsewhere if the DVLA could iron out these flaws in their system?

telecat

8,528 posts

241 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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I have to agree with the posters who think this is an abuse of the law. In fact it shows up lots of problems. Also if you HADN'T been ABLE to attend who would bet that they wouldn't have bothered and the judgement would have been guilty??? Lastly I do not want Pistonheads turning into yet another "Muzzled dog" willing to roll over and have it's tummy tickled. It should remain a more militant sounding box but perhaps that does not sit happily with a mainstream publisher?

Mr E

21,616 posts

259 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Jamesp24 said:
Did you exit the car park in a blaze of tyre smoke and a dab of oppo : )
In an oil burning passat?

havoc

30,069 posts

235 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Has CH made a post yet that wasn't designed to provoke?

scratchchin

Godzilla

2,033 posts

249 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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I got sent a warning that my GT-R was not registered as insured. I sent the form back listing my insurance details and they've written back saying they're looking into it.
They could have saved some postage, but writing back AFTER they'd contacted my insurers to confirm that I am indeed insured.

I agree that we need to clamp down on uninsured drivers, but as always, I bet this hits legitimate people more than it catches hardened law breakers.
And clearly they need to improve the database to avoid wasting a lot of people's time and the DVLA's money.


Dr G

15,175 posts

242 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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My trade policy allows me to add cars to MIDB very quickly online.

The Wookie

13,948 posts

228 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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havoc said:
Has CH made a post yet that wasn't designed to provoke?

scratchchin
TBH I did wonder before I ranted... oh well I bit!

ProjectBayern

40 posts

155 months

Wednesday 29th February 2012
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Good article as ever Chris.

I'm a trader who used to frequently "blur the lines between personal transportation and stock" and as such had to carry my trade policy certificate with me everywhere. As of last year though, the company who supplies my trade policy starting asking "is this vehicle for stock, personal use or both" and when you say both they actually update the DVLA database so that I doesn't trip off every ANPR I pass and (touch wood + every other stupid superstitious ritual i can think off) I've not been pulled over once since they started doing it (watch this I'll get pulled ever night for the rest of the month now).

Good point well made though, if those of us who do pay huge amounts for insurance aren't prepared to live with the odd Police/DVLA slip-up in order to catch the barstewards who drive round uninsured and carefree then they'd be no point in any of us having insurance.

I'm not sure if that was a congratulations, mini soap box moment or what............rotatespin