RE: PH Blog: Vauxhall - new versus old

RE: PH Blog: Vauxhall - new versus old

Monday 5th March 2012

PH Blog: Vauxhall - new versus old

Why old cars win every time, unless they're Australian



It might seem horribly churlish to say this, but Vauxhall has got it very wrong in setting up a pre-Geneva run along the spectacular Route Napoleon in order to try out the new 4x4 bi-turbo Insignia diesel.

But it's a wonderful, brilliant mistake they've made, because escorting the powerful-yet-predictably-dull repmobile is a squadron of some of the most interesting metal ever to wear a Griffin badge.

What, you'd pick the Insignia over this lot?
What, you'd pick the Insignia over this lot?
Drawn from Vauxhall's heritage toy box is a Droop Snoot Firenza (think Capri but cooler), a Calibra V6 (think Capri but less cool), a Chevette HS homologation special, a Special-edition Astra Coupe created to celebrate early noughties BTCC dominance and a Mk1 Astra GTE. In the Mad Australian corner, there's also a 430hp Maloo Ute, the work of down-under cousins Holden.

Among that little lot a turbodiesel Insignia is bound to seem a little bland, however impressive or mildly sporty it proves to be.

And Vauxhall's most powerful diesel ever is good - there's 295lb ft of torque to be had from its twin-turbo diesel, play it gently and you'll get 50mpg from it, while play rough and the clever HiPerStrut suspension means the car's front end will largely do what you ask of it, even in extremis.

It is also boring, and more than a little anonymous. This isn't really the Insignia's fault; pressure from marketing types and reams of environmental and safety legislation means modern mainstream cars have slowly coagulated into a homogenous, amorphous mass. Try telling a Passat apart from an Avensis or a Kia Optima in a blindfold test and you'll see what I mean.

Putting such a varied selection of yesteryear Vauxhall metal around the Insignia only serves to highlight how samey cars have become.

Ace Mk1 Astra among the delights
Ace Mk1 Astra among the delights
Each one has its own distinct aura, a unique mix of attitudes and abilities. Of course, some of this character simply comes from the patina of age, just as a wine or a whisky matures with time. The older cars are also redolent of the era from which they sprang. You almost feel you have to don flared jeans and work harder on your facial hair when you get into the Firenza . The GTE reeks of early Thatcherite optimism. The Calibra speaks of a more innocent time, where a flash set of clothes was genuinely enough to make a coupe stand out.

Even so, there is something truly different about every one of the older Vauxhalls - you wouldn't mistake any of them for anything else. And the Insignia? It's just a car, really. Competent, capable, fast(ish), economical, and on occasion even enjoyable. But it's just a car.

There is hope, though, for the cause of eccentricity in modern cars and it comes in the form of a bright yellow Australian lunatic. On sale as a Vauxhall VXR8 and available to order now at £51,500, the Maloo is a breath of fresh air. Or possibly a belch - it's that sort of car.

With its walloping 431hp LS3 V8, outrageous styling and huge load bay, not to mention only a passing acquaintance with the concept of traction, the Maloo could not possibly be mistaken for anything else. And that is most definitely a good thing.

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V8 FOU

Original Poster:

2,973 posts

147 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Ahhhh, Old Vauxhalls.
Viva GT, any HB Viva, Chevettes - especially with a Redtop engine, FB Victors esp VX 4/90 in rally trim, Droop Snoot Firenza, Firenzas with the 2300 engine, ooohhh I've just gone to pieces on a Monday morning!

Krikkit

26,522 posts

181 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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I'd sell a kidney for a Maloo. What a gloriously mad machine.

moskvich427

227 posts

175 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Ha marketing people getting it wrong there.

The other cars should have included a Nova 1.3 Merit, a Carlton GL and a diesel Vectra. Then the Insignia would have shone...

Garlick

40,601 posts

240 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Krikkit said:
I'd sell a kidney for a Maloo. What a gloriously mad machine.
When we were at Vauxhall HQ recently we were told that UK customers could order a Maloo and they would assist with the import too.

We hope to have this car in for test soon, so watch this space for more info.

y2blade

56,097 posts

215 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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PH seems to be evolving...and for the better imho yes

great piece


Dave Hedgehog

14,549 posts

204 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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i don't want any vauxhall old or new

BILL PAYER

526 posts

179 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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I always felt that the Astra GTE was a much better looking car than the Escort XR3 of around the same time.

LuS1fer

41,132 posts

245 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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The 70s is when Vauxhall hit their stride.

I'd have killed for a droop-snoot Frenzy or an HS Chevette and would have committed GBH to get a normal Frenzy/Magnum 2300 Coupe. So much cooler and minimerica than the ubiquitous Capri.

Never liked the Calibra or much bearing the Griffin after that though - just dull repmobiles.

I owned a Viva 1800 and Chevette 1.3 saloon and both were fairly worthy cars at the time. I also had an Astra GTE 16v which I just didn't like.

Ex Boy Racer

1,151 posts

192 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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it's easy to sneer at it now, but the Calibra would snap knicker elastic at 50 paces when it first came out. I had one for a few weeks while my Sierra Cossie was being repaired (think it was the 5th time someone tried to nick it...) when they were still quite a new release and my secretary nearly wet herself when she saw it. This didn't happen with the Cossie..
Ahhh... those were the days... Cossies, Calibras, secretaries...

Devil2575

13,400 posts

188 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Vauxhall used to make some good cars and in the 80s they were arguably better than the Ford Equivalents.

Clivey

5,110 posts

204 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
i don't want any vauxhall old or new
Not enough 'imagine' for you, Sir?

Fire99

9,844 posts

229 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Personally, the criticisms aimed at Vauxhall can also be aimed at the other big players. Ford, VW etc. Their mainstream cars are all pretty bland. Even BMW. The 80's 3 series was a thing of class. The current 'regular model' 3 series is not exceptional in any way.

Dave Hedgehog

14,549 posts

204 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Clivey said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
i don't want any vauxhall old or new
Not enough 'imagine' for you, Sir?
They have just never rang my bell, the mk1 astra GTE maybe, from my youth, but i would rather have a MK1 Escort RS Turbo tbh.

DoctorX

7,272 posts

167 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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BILL PAYER said:
I always felt that the Astra GTE was a much better looking car than the Escort XR3 of around the same time.
Had to be polar white though for the colour co-ordination. Other colours looked plain in comparison. Nice car.

grumpy52

5,574 posts

166 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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In the day vauxhall 2.3 had about 112-115 bhp as standard if you bought a ford of the same vintage and spent shed loads on tuning bits you got maybe 110 bhp and a lot less torque ,if you spent the same tuning a vauxhall you got 170 bhp !you choose !

Johnson SE

84 posts

211 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Love the Chevette always wanted a HS. The Maloo ticks few boxes too cool

stevenr

915 posts

194 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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I'm a Ford man myself,had a couple of Vauxhalls along the way though.A Vectra GSI probably being the best of them.I'd be tempted to go back for one of these though

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1978-VAUXHALL-CHEVETTE-2...

JREwing

17,540 posts

179 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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A load of great cars there, and I'm very interested to see how the Insignia bi-turbo is. I'm thinking about having my mother get one to replace her 320d.

LuS1fer

41,132 posts

245 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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grumpy52 said:
In the day vauxhall 2.3 had about 112-115 bhp as standard if you bought a ford of the same vintage and spent shed loads on tuning bits you got maybe 110 bhp and a lot less torque ,if you spent the same tuning a vauxhall you got 170 bhp !you choose !
Well the original and short-lived 2000SL had 112 but the 2300SL had 122. The Ford 2.0 had 108 in the Capri and 110 in the RS2000 without any tuning but the fact was that Ford offered a 3.0 V6 in the Capri whereas the 2300SL was the top offering from Vauxhall.

The droop snoot was a very effective riposte to Ford's bigger 3.0 but only 204 were ever made.

The Vauxhall's suspension was better though.

Edited by LuS1fer on Monday 5th March 12:51

dave stew

1,502 posts

167 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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I'm a big fan of the Chevette HS and HSRs. In 1982 DTV (Dealer Team Vauxhall) ran one alongside the DOT (Dealer Opel Team) Rothmans Manta 400.