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Just had the same problem with a new Facet pump.(not Red top)
It ran ok, failed after approx 20mins. Having removed pump and 'shaken it about' it now works. It has an inlet filter so should not be dirt.
I am thinking of fitting an Airtex - Rollervane pump - anybody used one?
David
It ran ok, failed after approx 20mins. Having removed pump and 'shaken it about' it now works. It has an inlet filter so should not be dirt.
I am thinking of fitting an Airtex - Rollervane pump - anybody used one?
David
Edited by djc100 on Tuesday 13th March 16:16
Sorry guys to not come back to you earlier(hadn't earmarked it), thx for your advise !
apparently my, then, newly(second)acquired facet is to go aswell(again).....am i doing something wrong here ?
Pump is in the boot, low down, with rubber mounts, with one-way valve, with (extra) fuel filter, regulator removed (earlier)
Car runs very well, this morning when tinkering about with carbs, died on me, re-started (which it did) and died again(after a bit, carbs fully set)
I've sort of had it with these "é&ing pumps, i simply want a reliable device getting fuel from the tank to the carb, how hard can it, proverbial, be ?
Noted Holley blue does 144 gph, isn't that overdoing it a bit (Neil, please advise) Must say those rollervanes look promising
apparently my, then, newly(second)acquired facet is to go aswell(again).....am i doing something wrong here ?
Pump is in the boot, low down, with rubber mounts, with one-way valve, with (extra) fuel filter, regulator removed (earlier)
Car runs very well, this morning when tinkering about with carbs, died on me, re-started (which it did) and died again(after a bit, carbs fully set)
I've sort of had it with these "é&ing pumps, i simply want a reliable device getting fuel from the tank to the carb, how hard can it, proverbial, be ?
Noted Holley blue does 144 gph, isn't that overdoing it a bit (Neil, please advise) Must say those rollervanes look promising
bluezeeland said:
Sorry guys to not come back to you earlier(hadn't earmarked it), thx for your advise !
apparently my, then, newly(second)acquired facet is to go aswell(again).....am i doing something wrong here ?
Pump is in the boot, low down, with rubber mounts, with one-way valve, with (extra) fuel filter, regulator removed (earlier)
Car runs very well, this morning when tinkering about with carbs, died on me, re-started (which it did) and died again(after a bit, carbs fully set)
I've sort of had it with these "é&ing pumps, i simply want a reliable device getting fuel from the tank to the carb, how hard can it, proverbial, be ?
Noted Holley blue does 144 gph, isn't that overdoing it a bit (Neil, please advise) Must say those rollervanes look promising
Steve reid runs a holley blue and loves it.apparently my, then, newly(second)acquired facet is to go aswell(again).....am i doing something wrong here ?
Pump is in the boot, low down, with rubber mounts, with one-way valve, with (extra) fuel filter, regulator removed (earlier)
Car runs very well, this morning when tinkering about with carbs, died on me, re-started (which it did) and died again(after a bit, carbs fully set)
I've sort of had it with these "é&ing pumps, i simply want a reliable device getting fuel from the tank to the carb, how hard can it, proverbial, be ?
Noted Holley blue does 144 gph, isn't that overdoing it a bit (Neil, please advise) Must say those rollervanes look promising
I am sure he will give you feedback on a road car
I HAD PROBS WITH FACET PUMPS 6 YEARS OR SO AGO.
SINCE THEN, THEEY HAVE CHANGED IN DESIGN, LATER TYPE, FEED CABLE COMES THRO A WEE GROMMET IN PUMP MAIN BODY.
I HAVE NOT KNOWN ANY OF THESE TYPE FAIL !
OLDER TYPE, CABLE EMERGED FROM TOP OF A WEE METAL TOP HAT ARRANGEMENT, ON PUMP BODY.
CHEERS IAN
SINCE THEN, THEEY HAVE CHANGED IN DESIGN, LATER TYPE, FEED CABLE COMES THRO A WEE GROMMET IN PUMP MAIN BODY.
I HAVE NOT KNOWN ANY OF THESE TYPE FAIL !
OLDER TYPE, CABLE EMERGED FROM TOP OF A WEE METAL TOP HAT ARRANGEMENT, ON PUMP BODY.
CHEERS IAN
TVR_owner said:
Run facet red tops in race car. No issues in 5 years in a car that consumes 1 litre per minute.
Neil, how do you know how yours performs?
It got all the way to lemans and back..all be it in another car Neil, how do you know how yours performs?
Plus I have over a few years run facets on various other cars..Always found them to be somewhat temperamental..you pays ya money i s'pose !!
I've had some problems with Red Tops in my race Grantura. One failed so got brand new one to replace. They have changed the spec. The new ones run continuously whether there is back pressure or not. The new one ticked away merrily but didn't pump any fuel. Bench tested it, bled it, hit it, swore at it and returned it to supplier. They tested it, said they did no work on it found it OK and returned it. I re-tested it and it worked! Go figure. I now have 2 fitted - the new one and an old style (reliable?) one. To be honest next time I'm going for a Holley. I don't think Facets are sufficiently robust or reliable - just an opinion.
'somewhat temperemental' thats 'bout summes it up correctly, yes. Thing is it should pump fuel, i dont want to 'shake it a bit' or 'give it a damn good trashing' (envision John Clees here on the Austin)Let see what happens in the near future, if it goes ill probably go the Holley way
cheers guys
cheers guys
bluezeeland said:
'somewhat temperemental' thats 'bout summes it up correctly, yes. Thing is it should pump fuel, i dont want to 'shake it a bit' or 'give it a damn good trashing' (envision John Clees here on the Austin)Let see what happens in the near future, if it goes ill probably go the Holley way
cheers guys
Holley Blue is a fantastic pump..Very robust. Very simple with accessible impeller. Easy to strip down. Has a good screen filter which is easy to clean. Has a big motor etc etc..All the things which make it a great race car fuel pump.....BUT!cheers guys
IT IS VERY NOISY
Decide for yourself before you fit to a road car.
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N
Edited by heightswitch on Tuesday 21st August 21:48
Sorry for resurrecting this thread, but a Google search for "Facet Red Top Problems" led me here.
I recently fitted a new Red Top to my Ultima. On switching on the ignition, the pump "buzzed' (it didn't tick as they normally do) and didn't seem to be pumping very well. In fact it was about a third of the specified pumping rate! I reported this to Demon Tweeks, who supplied the pump, and they put me in touch with a company called Glencoe, presumably the importers. A guy called Terry explained the problem.
Apparently Facet Red Tops now have a "solid state mechanism" i.e. no points, thus no ticking. They simply buzz all the time. However to pump at all they require at least 11 volts at the pump and 12 volts to work properly. I had 11.5 volts at the pump, without the engine running, hence the low flow rate. With the engine running, I'm getting 14 volts and the pump is performing as it should. Luckily the Ultima has two pumps, this new one and an old "ticker" which will pump happily with 9 volts. Thus I start the engine on the old pump then switch to the new one when she's running. Maybe I need a new battery, it's a Red Top (matches the pump!) which is 14 years old, but still turns over the big V8 with no problems at all!
I recently fitted a new Red Top to my Ultima. On switching on the ignition, the pump "buzzed' (it didn't tick as they normally do) and didn't seem to be pumping very well. In fact it was about a third of the specified pumping rate! I reported this to Demon Tweeks, who supplied the pump, and they put me in touch with a company called Glencoe, presumably the importers. A guy called Terry explained the problem.
Apparently Facet Red Tops now have a "solid state mechanism" i.e. no points, thus no ticking. They simply buzz all the time. However to pump at all they require at least 11 volts at the pump and 12 volts to work properly. I had 11.5 volts at the pump, without the engine running, hence the low flow rate. With the engine running, I'm getting 14 volts and the pump is performing as it should. Luckily the Ultima has two pumps, this new one and an old "ticker" which will pump happily with 9 volts. Thus I start the engine on the old pump then switch to the new one when she's running. Maybe I need a new battery, it's a Red Top (matches the pump!) which is 14 years old, but still turns over the big V8 with no problems at all!
Edited by GTRMikie on Friday 9th May 15:15
to add ; for a standard carburettor Weber 38DGAS and standard engine (138HP) used in a 3000M ,Taimar or 3000S : the mechanical fuelpump is ok : why need to upgrade to an eletrical fuelpump ? I owned 2 3000M's , only slightly tuned up to a decent 160HP and both cars were equipped with the standard mechnical pump . Never had a breakdown due some fuel failures.
Hi Paul,
Txs you for the advise !
This subject has been revived from 1.5 yrs ago...
Meanwhile the problem has been sorted, mainly by a rewire, and proper earth !
My mech pump was broke, so had to replace it anyway, the first red top I had positively gone t*ts up, the second one (which is still in) works correctly after the rewire
The pump is now wired via the ignition switch (and fused) and earthed through a inertia switch (next to my seat) back to the battery
grtz
Frank
Txs you for the advise !
This subject has been revived from 1.5 yrs ago...
Meanwhile the problem has been sorted, mainly by a rewire, and proper earth !
My mech pump was broke, so had to replace it anyway, the first red top I had positively gone t*ts up, the second one (which is still in) works correctly after the rewire
The pump is now wired via the ignition switch (and fused) and earthed through a inertia switch (next to my seat) back to the battery
grtz
Frank
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