650i Real World Mpg?
Discussion
which model? the new one or previous generation?
TO compare my E61 550i (same engine as it's era 650i) has averaged 26mpg overall. My daily commute at the moment is 5-10 miles a/b road then rush hour m-way, so some jams, then 60-70(ish)mph cruise and she is averaging 28-29mpg over each tank of fuel. BUT doing short local runs and stop start and ecomony will drop into the high teens/low 20s.
TO compare my E61 550i (same engine as it's era 650i) has averaged 26mpg overall. My daily commute at the moment is 5-10 miles a/b road then rush hour m-way, so some jams, then 60-70(ish)mph cruise and she is averaging 28-29mpg over each tank of fuel. BUT doing short local runs and stop start and ecomony will drop into the high teens/low 20s.
I would be looking at circa a 2007 model.
At present my Focus ST on B roads 15 mile commute is averaging 24mpg but when spending more time on the motorway it can get as high as 28/29. I am looking for something that can get close to these figures. I am currently pondering a 335i or a 650i. Would like the 650i to be an option as I think it looks a bit more special than a 3 series. Also love the idea of a V8!. (would love an M3 but think all of the costs involved would cripple me!)
At present my Focus ST on B roads 15 mile commute is averaging 24mpg but when spending more time on the motorway it can get as high as 28/29. I am looking for something that can get close to these figures. I am currently pondering a 335i or a 650i. Would like the 650i to be an option as I think it looks a bit more special than a 3 series. Also love the idea of a V8!. (would love an M3 but think all of the costs involved would cripple me!)
I also have an E61 550i. I average about 23mpg, never seen lower than 21mpg from a tank. That's a a mix of very short runs of a mile to work (via the nursey) and longer 20 miles drives. On an A class cruise I can hit 30mpg if taking it easy, about 28mpg on the motorway at 75mph.
Edited by scz4 on Friday 16th March 12:52
Hi,
Sounds like economy is fairly high on your list of requirements and you'd have to drive a 650i with a very light foot in order to keep the fuel economy to the levels you are currently wishing to achieve. That means you'll not use 90% of what the car/engine is capable of and seems like a real waste - yes it's a V8, but you'll be spending so much effort watching the economy you won't really get to hear it!
Thing is, if you got one, you'd be very tempted to give it the boot and that's highly likely to increase in frequency. That means you're real world MPG is going to plummet ! so the chances of you actually spending more on fuel is increased meaning you'll be worse off.
I'd say re-evaluate into getting a more economical car for when you do wish to drive that little bit faster..
Cheers, Dennis!
Sounds like economy is fairly high on your list of requirements and you'd have to drive a 650i with a very light foot in order to keep the fuel economy to the levels you are currently wishing to achieve. That means you'll not use 90% of what the car/engine is capable of and seems like a real waste - yes it's a V8, but you'll be spending so much effort watching the economy you won't really get to hear it!
Thing is, if you got one, you'd be very tempted to give it the boot and that's highly likely to increase in frequency. That means you're real world MPG is going to plummet ! so the chances of you actually spending more on fuel is increased meaning you'll be worse off.
I'd say re-evaluate into getting a more economical car for when you do wish to drive that little bit faster..
Cheers, Dennis!
I'm not so concerned about fuel economy but I don't really want to buy something that does a lot less mpg than the Focus currently does. At present I'm only doing circa 25miles a day so mpg isnt much of an issue but that could easily change to a higher number of miles so I want something that, if I want it to, will average mid twenties.
(Also needs to do 0-60 in circa 6 seconds or less and have circa 300bhp... I don't want for much!!)
(Also needs to do 0-60 in circa 6 seconds or less and have circa 300bhp... I don't want for much!!)
c7xlg said:
aruck... rather than Denniscoopers vague comments you could pay more attention from the 2 posts who own & run the car (albeit in a touring body rather than coupe) you are considering. I don't think you'll find yourself getting mileage that different the figures you ST gets.
Appreciated. Apologies for not commenting. Looks good! Still amazed that such a big engine can be so efficient (relatively!). What's the 550i like to run otherwise? servicing etc? ThanksLook at my profile for an idea on the costs for mine over 2 years.
Day to day, short town based runs, we see 21-22mpg on the OBC, which over reads by 0.9mpg when worked out properly. On a 200 mile mway run at 85-95, it will see 24-25 on the OBC. At 70-80 this will rise to 27-28.
I once tried to see how high I could get it. Doing 60-70 on the mway I managed 34mpg.
If you press on then it's 9-13mpg.
My car has been rock solid over 2 years and needed nothing other than basic servicing. I bought it over a 335i as it was far more "special" and has the soundtrack to back it up.
Total bargain now IMO. a 2007 should be about 16-17k?
Day to day, short town based runs, we see 21-22mpg on the OBC, which over reads by 0.9mpg when worked out properly. On a 200 mile mway run at 85-95, it will see 24-25 on the OBC. At 70-80 this will rise to 27-28.
I once tried to see how high I could get it. Doing 60-70 on the mway I managed 34mpg.
If you press on then it's 9-13mpg.
My car has been rock solid over 2 years and needed nothing other than basic servicing. I bought it over a 335i as it was far more "special" and has the soundtrack to back it up.
Total bargain now IMO. a 2007 should be about 16-17k?
Oddly I'm in almost the same quandary. Currently run a 197 which barely scrapes over 30mpg on my 8mi plod to work in suburban traffic.
Had been looking at either 330i/d's or 335i/d's but after crashing around in the 197 for 4 years now I'm tempted by something a bit more bargey - the 6 seems to fit that bill perfectly, if I can source an older one for the right price.
Had been looking at either 330i/d's or 335i/d's but after crashing around in the 197 for 4 years now I'm tempted by something a bit more bargey - the 6 seems to fit that bill perfectly, if I can source an older one for the right price.
Flip me just reading this makes me feel giddy!!!!!
I have to ask is it a good thing to be used to seeing around 50MPG on the OBC ,because now I just couldnt stomach those sort of mpg figures ,justifying them would for me be a massive ask ,I mean my 120d auto will never be far away from you wherever you drive in this country and the price of fuelling is getting crazy ,that is MY problem,excuse me butting in by the way.
I have to ask is it a good thing to be used to seeing around 50MPG on the OBC ,because now I just couldnt stomach those sort of mpg figures ,justifying them would for me be a massive ask ,I mean my 120d auto will never be far away from you wherever you drive in this country and the price of fuelling is getting crazy ,that is MY problem,excuse me butting in by the way.
What has a 120 diesel got to do with a 650i ?
The op wants a special car which looks special and has a good sound note and plenty of power when he feels like using it.
If money on fuel is not such a big deal go for it as these type of cars will soon be a thing of the past the way things are going.
The op wants a special car which looks special and has a good sound note and plenty of power when he feels like using it.
If money on fuel is not such a big deal go for it as these type of cars will soon be a thing of the past the way things are going.
TX1 said:
What has a 120 diesel got to do with a 650i ?
The op wants a special car which looks special and has a good sound note and plenty of power when he feels like using it.
If money on fuel is not such a big deal go for it as these type of cars will soon be a thing of the past the way things are going.
Just talking aloud allright Taxi Driver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The op wants a special car which looks special and has a good sound note and plenty of power when he feels like using it.
If money on fuel is not such a big deal go for it as these type of cars will soon be a thing of the past the way things are going.
I dont blame him ,id love a V8 something or other.But I am so use to high MPG in a way I wish I wasnt ,thats all.No big deal.
The OP is talking about MPG and it was just a thought of mine.
Is that ok for you TX1 ,will you be able to go to sleep tonight or shall I delete ?
Sheesh.
Edited by smashy on Friday 16th March 17:20
I don't think the high mpg and low mpg comparison works. I have had a load of VAG diesels and feel a sense af achievement when I hit high mpg figures. However it does not begin to match the pleasure of driving a V8 or the 3 litre Z3 I have now or the 130i and Alfa GTV 3.0 that predeeded it. I used to worry about mpg but don't anymore. When a pint is £3 and a Sunday newspaper £2 a couple of extra quid to enioy what might otherwise be a bland monotonous journey is money well spent. I also agree that the opportunities to enjoy this particular pleasure are diminishing fast, at least for those of us that can't afford supercars. To me the comparison is pleasure of the drive versus satisfaction of saving money on variable cost of motoring.
ChasW said:
I don't think the high mpg and low mpg comparison works. I have had a load of VAG diesels and feel a sense af achievement when I hit high mpg figures. However it does not begin to match the pleasure of driving a V8 or the 3 litre Z3 I have now or the 130i and Alfa GTV 3.0 that predeeded it. I used to worry about mpg but don't anymore. When a pint is 3 and a Sunday newspaper 2 a couple of extra quid to enioy what might otherwise be a bland monotonous journey is money well spent. I also agree that the opportunities to enjoy this particular pleasure are diminishing fast, at least for those of us that can't afford supercars. To me the comparison is pleasure of the drive versus satisfaction of saving money on variable cost of motoring.
Nice post Chas ,im interested re your thoughts,would you be prepared to pay around 70 a week more because that what it would cost me to get into a V8 petrol wise.Not being arsy just interested.Good Luck
TX1 said:
You can sleep in peace smashy, hope you have some nice dreams regarding a v8.
...and you TX1 (the Vito is better)I shall actually dream of ringing a BMW dealer and hear him say " oh Mr. Smashy yes that crazy lease deal on the 640d is still on and although you do 30 k a year we will only charge you an extra 50 a month."
Edited by smashy on Friday 16th March 20:49
About 15 months ago I looked at 650i v 335i too. The 650i was more 'special' to look at and to sit in and was also quick but 3 things made me choose the 335i in the end; the 650i felt much bigger and less agile on the move, the 6 series back seats and the 335i engine is easily tuned.
I have no experience of 650i real world mpg but for reference my manual N54 335i is currently showing 26.4mpg. The car isn't standard though and I would imagine that many 335i owners achieve better figures. As well as being remapped, most of my journeys are very short i.e under 3 miles when the oil temp gauge doesn't even move.
I have no experience of 650i real world mpg but for reference my manual N54 335i is currently showing 26.4mpg. The car isn't standard though and I would imagine that many 335i owners achieve better figures. As well as being remapped, most of my journeys are very short i.e under 3 miles when the oil temp gauge doesn't even move.
Edited by Crackie on Saturday 17th March 09:00
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