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trackdemon

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Just noticed my MOT runs out today, does the expiry date mean I can drive till midnight tonight or that it ran out @ 27/03/12:00:01? Pretty sure its the former but want to be sure before deciding which car to drive! smile

MMT

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71 months

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Google seems to say midnight on the expiry date, so you're ok today.

CBR JGWRR

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If your destination is a MOT anyway, then yes.

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Breadvan72

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Today is 27 03 12. It will continue to be 27 03 12 until the stroke of midnight. No Google or lawyering required: apply first principles.

trackdemon

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Breadvan72 said:
Today is 27 03 12. It will continue to be 27 03 12 until the stroke of midnight. No Google or lawyering required: apply first principles.
Thats what I figured but I don't trust the sneaky sods to grab the opportunity for an easy £60fixed penalty... But anyway from what people mentioned here, what I googled, and COMMON SENSE! I drove it anyway thumbup
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saaby93

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trackdemon said:
Breadvan72 said:
Today is 27 03 12. It will continue to be 27 03 12 until the stroke of midnight. No Google or lawyering required: apply first principles.
Thats what I figured but I don't trust the sneaky sods to grab the opportunity for an easy £60fixed penalty... But anyway from what people mentioned here, what I googled, and COMMON SENSE! I drove it anyway thumbup
I'm not sure he meant that?
As it's 27 03 12 until midnight it's expired anytime on 27 03 12
i.e. as soon as it's 27 03 12 it's expired, you're done for.
If theyd have meant end of 27 03 12 wouldnt they have said it.
Where does google say it's midnight at the end of the expiry date?
Willing to accept argument to the contrary smile

For instance on the tax reminder form it says your tax 'runs out on 31st March 2012'
If you buy a new disc it starts on 1st April
so 'on' more than likely means 'end of' for tax
whistle

Edited by saaby93 on Wednesday 28th March 09:32

uuf361

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107 months

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I'd have thought you'd be OK, but guessing you have an MoT booked at some point today anyway.....

Breadvan72

19,036 posts

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saaby93 said:
trackdemon said:
Breadvan72 said:
Today is 27 03 12. It will continue to be 27 03 12 until the stroke of midnight. No Google or lawyering required: apply first principles.
Thats what I figured but I don't trust the sneaky sods to grab the opportunity for an easy £60fixed penalty... But anyway from what people mentioned here, what I googled, and COMMON SENSE! I drove it anyway thumbup
I'm not sure he meant that?
As it's 27 03 12 until midnight it's expired anytime on 27 03 12
i.e. as soon as it's 27 03 12 it's expired, you're done for.
If theyd have meant end of 27 03 12 wouldnt they have said it.
Where does google say it's midnight at the end of the expiry date?
Willing to accept argument to the contrary smile

For instance on the tax reminder form it says your tax 'runs out on 31st March 2012'
If you buy a new disc it starts on 1st April
so 'on' more than likely means 'end of' for tax
whistle

Edited by saaby93 on Wednesday 28th March 09:32
Saaby, sweetie, your grasp of the law appears to be comparable to your understanding of grammar! Every day lasts 24 hours (avoiding science-geek hair splitting over precise measurements). The MOT expired on the day which we call 27/03/12. That day lasted 24 hours and ended at midnight, when the date became 28/03/12. At that point, the MOT turned into a pumpkin.

In the law, a day means a day, absent express provision to the contrary. Common sense and the law are more often related than people suppose.



Edited by Breadvan72 on Wednesday 28th March 11:55

saaby93

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Breadvan72 said:
Every day lasts 24 hours (avoiding science-geek hair splitting over precise measurements). The MOT expired on the day which we call 27/03/12. That day lasted 24 hours and ended at midnight, when the date became 28/03/13. At that point, the MOT turned into a pumpkin.

In the law, a day means a day, absent express provision to the contrary. Common sense and the law are more often related than people suppose.
In previous threads the law has usefully been a tad more pedantic than that yes
Hence why I wote that if it says it expires on the 27th, you'd expect that as soon as it's the 27th it's expired.
However as I also wrote the tax disc form treats 'on' as 'end of' so I dont see why the MOT should be any different.
Thanks for your kind support smile



Breadvan72

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This is an example of the law being what some would call pedantic but what I would call being careful, and demanding full value from words and phrases. The law says - a day is a day! If you mean a day to be something other than a day, you must say so. The MOT cert does not say so, so the car can bask in lawful and pristine splendour for every last second of the day, before magically transforming itself into a lethal and knackered heap as the chimes ring out.

10 Pence Short

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A Renault?
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