RE: The PH guide to the EU's new tyre labels

RE: The PH guide to the EU's new tyre labels

Friday 30th March 2012

The PH guide to the EU's new tyre labels

Regulations from Europe mean the way tyres are sold will change later this year. All new tyres will have to carry a label to show how good (or bad) they are...


Tyre labels will, sadly, say nothing about burnoutability
Tyre labels will, sadly, say nothing about burnoutability

The way we buy tyres is about to change. Eco-rules from Europe mean tyres are gaining labels just like the ones on washing machines and fridges. Anyone selling new tyres will have to show customers the label for the tyre they're about to buy.

However, when most of us buy tyres it's all about the grip, so that you can stop, go and turn (often quickly), rather than causing as little damage as possible to the environment. So, the EU powers-that-be have also put some grip information on the new labels. How nice of them.

So the new labels, which will start appearing in June this year and will become mandatory from November, will carry information about three things: rolling efficiency, noise and wet braking.

Seriously... stop it...
Seriously... stop it...
The idea behind this is to give consumers a 'better' way of judging the quality of a tyre rather than just price and magazine tyre tests. The label creates a level playing field for all tyre manufacturers thanks to scientific test conditions for the three areas on the label.

The ethos behind the labels is all very worthy, but, as we all know, PHers are a little more concerned about the rubber on their metal than the average A-to-B driver.

What it all means
The 'best' performing tyres in the three tests will score two 'A' ratings plus a single black mark and a low number for noise.

Rolling resistance
Many eco-cars, such as the VW Bluemotions and Skoda Greenlines, have deliberately low rolling resistance tyres fitted so that tyres take less energy to propel them on the road.

The grades run from A to G, with D not being used to accentuate the difference between good and bad tyres.

If you want to get technical, the difference between each grade means a reduction or increase in fuel consumption of between 2.5 per cent and 4.5 per cent. That's a difference of about half an mpg for a 36mpg car per grade.


Wet braking
Wet grip, as you could guess, relates to the tyre's ability to stop a vehicle on wet roads and can be expressed in terms of distance. The grades used for this test are A to G, again with D not being used in order to show greater differences*.

The difference between each grade means an increase or decrease in stopping distance of between one and two car lengths (between three and six metres) when using maximum braking from 50mph.

* Actually G isn't used either, because that would be below the minimum legal standards for a new tyre.

Noise
This is the external noise made by the tyre and is measured in decibels. The more black bars shown on the label, the louder the tyre.

But wait...
Sounds simple enough, doesn't it? The label will tell you some limited, but useful, information about your next set of tyres. Although you'll probably get more detailed performance information about things like dry braking, cornering grip, cold weather traction and so on, by reading a tyre test.


There is a final twist in the new regulations, however, because the rules apply whenever the consumer has a choice of new tyre, this also includes almost all new car sales. To put it a different way, if when you buy a new car there is a choice of wheel size (and therefore different rubber) the dealer will have to show you the labels for the tyres before you pay for the car.

Normally when you buy a new car you have no choice and little idea what brand of rubber will arrive. This is despite the fact that, when you order a new car, even without changing wheel size, it could arrive on one of four or five tyre brands due to the way car makers work supply agreements with tyre manufacturers.

So what'll happen?
By November 2012 one of two things will therefore happen with new car sales and tyre choice.

The first is that buyers will be able to select which type of tyre they want on their new car and be shown a choice of labels. The second option is that car manufacturers will insist all tyres for a particular model of car have the exact same scores on the eco-label.

With the implementation of the new rules not due for several months, experts say this last point could go either way. However, the labelling should at least give a level playing field and a start-point for tyre choice, much in the same way that 0-60mph figures don't tell the whole story about a car's performance, but do give a useful indication.

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Motorrad

Original Poster:

6,811 posts

187 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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What a load of bks. I wonder how much of my tax money is being wasted on this crap.

MGgeordie

939 posts

184 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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Will there be labels saying 'This Tyre was made in China - avoid like the plague!'

laugh


pSyCoSiS

3,594 posts

205 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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What a waste.

Why do they keep making things more and more complicated?

What issue is there with going to a local tyre dealer, and just buying the tyre that suits you best?

I bet the retailers are p1ssed off with this, as well as the manufacturers (especially, alot of the budget brands like Wanli / Linglong), which people would probably refrain from buying due to poor rating scores!

SimbaWC

12 posts

181 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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This is a great idea. What could possibly be wrong with knowing more about what you buy when you buy it? We all know that a Continental/Dunlop/Bridgestone is better than a Kasakana but isn't it good to be able to say why that is with empirical/objective/scientific evidence to back it up?

Or even to know why you should go for a SportContact III over an Eagle F1 or a PilotSport based on what you want from a tyre and how they perform under those criteria? Tyres will actually become better because of this just like cars became safer when EuroNCAP was established and more economical when the European Driving Cycle test was established. Choice is good and an informed consumer forces manufacturers to up their game. The free market only works when there's competition.

It'll be a bit of a hassle for manufacturers and dealers to start with but that always happens when things change. In no time at all, it'll be par for the course; everyone will adapt and get used to it and we will laugh when we think about all those people who used to have to make the decision "back in the day" without any information to base their choice on.

It'll be like, "remember when seatbelts/ABS/ESP were only available if you paid extra for them?"

Edited by SimbaWC on Friday 30th March 12:17

dazren

22,612 posts

261 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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Waste of time. For performance cars I'll go with a premium brand with a good reputation.

With most everyday cars people are more concerned about cost and wear rates (ie cost per mile). Is wear rate info shown on the tyres to allow comparison of long term costs for different tyres? If not, why not? During this current faffing around it would have been a good time to add this useful info.

Bursar

172 posts

171 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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What I want to know is, will I still be able to get R888s?

gdaybruce

754 posts

225 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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More than once I've been in the waiting areas of major tyre retailers and listened to staff telling customers that there's no difference between some budget brand and the premium brand their car came on. This proposal might not be perfect but at least it should give customers who know nothing about tyres an idea of what they're paying for.

GC8

19,910 posts

190 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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pSyCoSiS said:
Why do they keep making things more and more complicated?
Because with great responsibility, comes great power ©.

V6GTA

2,004 posts

197 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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Won't make me buy anything other than my Michelin PS3's....

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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pSyCoSiS said:
What issue is there with going to a local tyre dealer, and just buying the tyre that suits you best?

I bet the retailers are p1ssed off with this, as well as the manufacturers (especially, alot of the budget brands like Wanli / Linglong), which people would probably refrain from buying due to poor rating scores!
Because the tyre fitter's opinions are often just based on conjecture - how many of them actually go out and use any of these tyres? Few to none I'd say, all they'll do is listen to their regular customers come back with feedback on what they've been using already, which is bound to be a critical, subjective opinion of course(!)

For the cheap, knock-off tyres it's a good thing - they'll have to improve quality to sell tyres to discerning buyers, or they'll still target the cheap-as-possible crowd and not give a toss.

SimbaWC said:
*snip*
Very true, couldn't put it better myself.

BuzzLightyear

1,426 posts

182 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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pSyCoSiS said:
What a waste.

Why do they keep making things more and more complicated?

What issue is there with going to a local tyre dealer, and just buying the tyre that suits you best?

I bet the retailers are p1ssed off with this, as well as the manufacturers (especially, alot of the budget brands like Wanli / Linglong), which people would probably refrain from buying due to poor rating scores!
But isn't that a good thing? When the traffic suddenly comes to an unexpected halt in front of you, it's reassuring to know that you've got decent tyres which will pull you up in good time. It would be nice to know that the guy behind has also got decent tyres (not the Korean Ditchfinders of legend) and will also stop without using the back of your car as a buffer.

It always worries me when people choose their tyres solely because they were the cheapest available, not the best they could afford.

vit4

3,507 posts

170 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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The majority of people know fk all about tyres. However, I do think more emphasis should be placed on grip rather than mpg, as I can see everybody who doesn't know just choosing the slipperiest tyre possible rolleyes I would guess that around here at least well over 80% of cars more than a few years old are on mismatched tyres and normally some 'exotic' sounding brand, people just don't get the importance of them.

RDMcG

19,142 posts

207 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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Its the regulations that follow that worry me. Will they ban (say) PS Cups because they do not meet wet braking label requirements? A label in itself does not worry me but some bureaucrat will then step in to improve things with new eco-rolling requirements.

Bacon Is Proof

5,740 posts

231 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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SimbaWC said:
This is a great idea. What could possibly be wrong with knowing more about what you buy when you buy it? We all know that a Continental/Dunlop/Bridgestone is better than a Kasakana but isn't it good to be able to say why that is with empirical/objective/scientific evidence to back it up?
So you go out and buy some new tyres that are top rated for wet braking (that's the only grip bit of information you have) and find they are completely toilet in the dry compared to your old rubber round the twisties.

See why it doesn't work?
You can't measure everything, it is impractical and in some circumstances impossible.
Look at performance/target orientated policing. It does not work.

Pingman

406 posts

201 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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Seems like a great idea to me, but its missing some key tyre info, such as:

Dry performance
Wear rate

Surely these are essential to know when buying a tyre?

Cold weather handling and cornering grip are pretty necessary too.

Frimley111R

15,650 posts

234 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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RDMcG said:
Its the regulations that follow that worry me. Will they ban (say) PS Cups because they do not meet wet braking label requirements?
I guess so and why not? If I were braking in the wet and someone with these tyres (which I assume are less capable in the wet) hits me I won't be pleased. In many ways they are little different to budget tyres.

Condi

17,188 posts

171 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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Will I still be able to buy part worns?

Mellow Matt

1,343 posts

207 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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Does this apply to motorbike tyres too?

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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RDMcG said:
Its the regulations that follow that worry me. Will they ban (say) PS Cups because they do not meet wet braking label requirements? A label in itself does not worry me but some bureaucrat will then step in to improve things with new eco-rolling requirements.
They already have to meet the minimum requirements for wet braking performance to be approved and sold as road tyres, this will just quantify it on a scale.

Yorkshirepud

136 posts

184 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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Nice idea, sure it's not perfect or complete, but any information I can get about what I'm buying is welcome.

I must admit though laughter ensued reading the article when I got to the letter D not getting used for the rolling resistance. When I then read both D and G where pointless in the Wet Stopping part I did start to wonder who thought some of these processes up.