Need advice re 1.4 car engines.

[JohnnyJones]

I need a 1.4 production car engine for a project.

It must be less than 1427cc, single or twin cam, if it's single cam I can have head work done but not twin cam Cams are free. Must be on carbs.

http://www.gpmidgets.co.uk/

What do you reckon? The K series in the caterham roadsport is good but have no experience of any others.

[The Wookie]

I'd say the K is a good bet. VERY light, cheap to buy, easily available with lots of tuning parts and tuners about, solid in 1.4 format and already a proven conversion in an MG Midget

Scratch that last bit, I made a wrong assumption about what you meant by Midgets!

[CDP]

Wouldn't a large bike engine be the best bet for that application?

[JohnnyJones]

Has to be a production car engine.

[samdale]

JohnnyJones said:

Has to be a production car engine.

Engine from a westfield megabusa...

[Deluded]

As already said, the 1.4 16v K is probably your best bet. Atleast as far as bang for buck goes. Still one of the most powerful 1.4 16v n/a production engines produced and they are lightweight, revy and reliable as a 1.4. They are cheap and parts are readily available.

Alternatively, the Fiat Super-Fire 1.4 16v (Panda 100hp, Stilo, Grande Punto etc) puts out similar power, is also lightweight and is a good reliable engine although a fairly new engine so more expensive to source, although parts are cheap as it shares a lot with the older 1.2 16v Super-Fire.

Edited by Deluded on Wednesday 25th April 08:54

[Odie]

1275 A series?

1.4ltr golf engine?

to be a carb engine its gonna have to be old.

[SirSamuelOfBuca]

Get a c1j (from a renault 5 gtt) or the low compression Renault campus engine.

C1j is an amazing little 1.4 and can pick then up from 100quid

[Odie]

Just read the spec document.


ATTACHMENT 1.1
Austin mini – A, A 8 valve OHV, cast iron block and cylinder head.
Ford Crossflow – 711M, 8 valve OHV, cast iron block and cylinder head.
Ford CVH – 8 valve OHC, cast iron block, alloy cylinder head.
Peugeot – TU1, TU2, TU3, 8 valve OHC, alloy or cast iron block, alloy cylinder head.
Suzuki – G13B Twin cam 16 valve OHC alloy block and cylinder head.
Standard valve sizes inlet – 29.50mm
exhaust – 24.50mm
Vauxhall – XE type 8 valve OHC, cast iron block, alloy cylinder head.
Vauxhall – Ecotec 16 valve OHC, cast iron block, alloy cylinder head.
Standard valve sizes inlet – 31.00mm
exhaust – 27.50mm
VW – Flat 4, 8 valve air cooled, boxer type 1, alloy block and cylinder head.

Id go with the suzuki engine.

[EDLT]

A K-series is going to be the best, assuming you are allowed to convert it to carbs. It is light, powerful and there are lots of race engine builders about if you want to spend some money.

Slightly O/T: I looked at the website for that race series, they reckon you can run a full season for £2k a year and no race entry fees!

[JohnnyJones]

Sorry, you are allowed to convert an injection to carbs. They can't be more than 32mm if it's a twincam motor but any size if it's single cam. I can also have the head worked on if it's single cam.

[300bhp/ton]

What about a rotary motor of some kind?

[JohnnyJones]

300bhp/ton said:

What about a rotary motor of some kind?

Hmm that's interesting..

[JohnnyJones]

JohnnyJones said:

300bhp/ton said:

What about a rotary motor of some kind?

Hmm that's interesting..

No rotary then.

1.0 ENGINE
2.0 TRANSMISSION AND FINAL DRIVE
3.0 CHASSIS
1.1 Any 4 cylinder 4 stroke production car engine may be used. As listed in
attachment 1.1. Any other type of engine must seek B.O.C. approval.
1.2 Maximum capacity permitted is 1427cc including repair sizes

[300bhp/ton]

JohnnyJones said:

JohnnyJones said:

300bhp/ton said:

What about a rotary motor of some kind?

Hmm that's interesting..

No rotary then.

1.0 ENGINE
2.0 TRANSMISSION AND FINAL DRIVE
3.0 CHASSIS
1.1 Any 4 cylinder 4 stroke production car engine may be used. As listed in
attachment 1.1. Any other type of engine must seek B.O.C. approval.
1.2 Maximum capacity permitted is 1427cc including repair sizes

So you could seek approval then? An earlier 1.0 or latter 1.3 litre rotary making 120-140hp n/a would be quite nice and different.

[swifthobo]

what Odie said! Suzuki – G13B Twin cam 16 valve OHC alloy block and cylinder head.

Fantastic engine revvy and torquey as hell plus I have one spare if your interested.

[SirSamuelOfBuca]

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Edited by SirSamuelOfBuca on Wednesday 25th April 12:39

[anonymous-user]

Definately 1.4 K series! One in my metro GTi was a brilliant little engine!

[garycat]

VW flat 4 could be interesting if you are building it yourself. The car would have very low CoG and no need for the extra weight of water cooling, radiator, fan etc. I assume there are plenty of beetle engine tuners to get more bhp.

Also very simple to install if you want RWD, all the other engines would only be suitable for a FWD car unless you have a bespoke transmission.

Edited by garycat on Wednesday 25th April 12:42

[EDLT]

garycat said:

VW flat 4 could be interesting if you are building it yourself. The car would have very low CoG and no need for the extra weight of water cooling, radiator, fan etc. I assume there are plenty of beetle engine tuners to get more bhp.

Also very simple to install if you want RWD, all the other engines would only be suitable for a FWD car unless you have a bespoke transmission.

Edited by garycat on Wednesday 25th April 12:42

You are allowed to have a mid-engined car, so he could use a standard FWD box.