RE: Porsche 997

Thursday 29th July 2004

Porsche 997

Sebastian Geisler drove the new Porsche 911 (997) Carrera


There he stands, the new Porsche 911. He´s new but still looks like an old friend. The largely unpopular Boxster style headlights with integrated indicators have made way for the traditional round headlights, very reminiscent of the 993 at first sight.

The silhouette of the 911 hasn´t changed a lot in over 40 years but under the skin it certainly has. Compared with the preceding 996,  80 percent of all the parts have been changed.

The 997 model comes in two versionas. The base Carrera comes with 325bhp and the Carrera S with 355bhp. Visually the S is distinguished by bigger tyres and the two double exhausts.

My test car is a Porsche 911 Carrera with standard suspension and standard wheels (still hefty 8J x 18s with 235 / 40 ZR 18 tyres at the front and 10 x 18, 265 / 40 ZR 18 at the rear). The colour is seal grey and the car has a black leather interior.

Inside

Compared with previous models, the interior seems quite a lot higher in quality. The test car was supplied with the optional sport seats that are very comfortable on long distances and provide good support when cornering. The space in the front seats is enough even for tall people, but as usual the rear seats are only good for small children.

Up front the rev counter dominates. The instruments aren´t so interlocked any more and the analogue speedometer is now properly readable. In aadditional there is an integrated digital speedo. Come to think of it the dashboard is in fact very similar to that in the Cayenne.

The 3-spoke steering wheel has good grip, but hides the outside instruments, oil pressure and oil temperature.

The boot capacity has grown a little (5 litres) to 135 litres thanks in part to a Tirefit system instead of a spare wheel. More space is of course available if you fold down the rear seats.

Driving Impressions

The engine of the Porsche 997 Carrera was treated to light modifications (e.g. different motronic, exhaust and airbox) from the 996 and achieves 325bhp (239 kw) with a max. tourque of 273.8 ft-lb. (370 Nm) at 4,250 rpm. The acceleration 0 - 100 km/h (0 - 62 mph) is brisk at about 5 seconds.

Inside the sound is more noticable than on the 996 but it's not enough of a difference to annoy. A sports exhaust will be available from October if you fancy a different tune.

The consumption is given by Porsche in EWG-mix with 11.0 litre/100 km, but in practice you´ll find that you have to get on with 13 litre/100 km, under full power even with up to 18 litre/100 km.

The brakes are easy to handle and get a hard grip, even after a few hard braking sessions no fading is apparent. Onlookers noticed that the front of the car gets very close to the ground and you nearly think that it is going to hit the deck.

A Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake (PCCB) is available, but in everyday life the normal brakes are absolutely adequate. PCCB is recommendable if you are a regular visitor on the track - the problems with earlier GT2 about the durability should be past.

The 6 speed manual gearbox works well. The first 3 gears have received steel synchro rings with a carbon coating the from the GT3, but the throws between gears are a bit long for a sports car. A short shift kit is to be offered and should be available by the end of the year.

The electronic servo steering  is exact, direct and adjusts itself according to speed of travel. The vehicle stays glued to the road even if you are driving at very high speed - the tenseness in the front is gone. The suspension is far more dynamic,  sporty and tight, but without being uncomfortable and makes high speeds possible in curves without the car swaying to one side.

Only on bad roads in town (cobblestones) it is uncomfortable and sends bumps directly to the passengers, but this car feels much better on the motorway and on country roads than in town. The Porsche Stability Management PSM is now fitted as standard and was again modified. On the road you have to be involved in serious situations before it interferes.

In the sport mode of the optional Sport-Chrono-package even allows you drift slightly up to 70kph. For track days you can turn it off and it first interferes again when you brake very hard.
Compared to its predecessor, the 997 is a bit heavier with 25 kg more taking the total weight up to 1,395kg although this isn´t noticeable when driving. For the very sporty driver there will probably be a optimised 997 GT3 in the future...

Price

Porsche 997 In the UK  the sale of the Porsche 911 (997) Carrera begins in September at a price of 58,380 GBP (including VAT), in Germany the car costs 75,200 Euro (including 16 percent VAT).

In the UK  the sale of the Porsche 911 (997) Carrera begins in September at a price of 58,380 GBP (including VAT), in Germany the car costs 75,200 Euro (including 16 percent VAT).

Recommendable is the Bi-Xenon Lights, that shows the road far better. The navigation system (Becker) is also worth recommending as it calculates far quicker than the old system and it finds
an alternative route much quicker.

For the sporty driver the sport seats and the Sport-Chrono-package are worth a thought too. However the Porsche typical long option list gives you a lot more possibilities to individualise your car with other rims, carbon, leather etc. and raise the price by another few 10,000 Euro.

The production for this year is nearly sold out. The new Cabriolet  is expected spring 2005.

Sebastian Geisler

Thanks to the Porsche Zentrum Willich (Germany) for the loan of the test car.

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Stig

Original Poster:

11,817 posts

284 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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I prefer the lights on the 996!

Marki

15,763 posts

270 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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Stig said:
I prefer the lights on the 996!


Theres always one

PetrolTed

34,425 posts

303 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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I lost a bit in the translation but that's a stopwatch on the dashboard!

FourWheelDrift

88,516 posts

284 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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Stig said:
I prefer the lights on the 996!


Buy a Boxster then

shadowninja

76,358 posts

282 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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The article was a bit

And seemed like it was cnp from the brochure. I guess the reviewer was only allowed a look in and a gentle driver over cobble stones and along a motorway.

Any how, the lights are an improvement

Don

28,377 posts

284 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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FourWheelDrift said:

Stig said:
I prefer the lights on the 996!



Buy a Boxster then


Later 996s do not have the same lights as the Boxster.

I like the look of the 997. But is it an *improvement* over the later 996? Not really. But 911 owners don't want overly dramatic change.

I'm also not sure about the dash. I *really* like the Boxster/996 later interior...maybe I need a little time to get used to it. But that steering wheel just is not as aesthetically pleasing...

clubsport

7,258 posts

258 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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A good review, i think the 997 has some positive improvements over 996, the interior looks to follow the cayenne in some respects. as this is Porsches current success story,maybe some owners will feel comfortable with the 997. it would have been difficult if the cayenne was a nicer place to sit that your 911..
All being well S should be a good car , looking forward to driving one mid sept asuming UK cars arrive on schedule.

911 habit

294 posts

245 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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I think it's great, every 911 generation is at least 30% better than the previous one.

Steering wheel, hmm, not sure about, and gear shift, yuck! I do prefer some of the 996 gear shift options better. Give it a while and I'm sure a few more options will be available, OEM or third-party.

Roll-on the 997 turbo!


>> Edited by 911 habit on Thursday 29th July 11:11

jl34

524 posts

237 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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how dull is this car? Surely the stylists could think of something more inspirational to change. Why not individul xenon lights like the carrera, or a flat nose version like old turbo's of the eighties,
how about a different dashboard design? im sure it is good but where has the charisma of the old cars gone?

Azura_tzo

665 posts

263 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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Agreed. This car is pretty bland - it does not look particularly new or original. When the pictures first came out I thought WOW, and now it looks way too familar. On the other hand take the new M5pictures, I still think WOW.

Not saying it looks bad in any way, but it hardly looks exciting given it looks like a 996 with round headlights, and the round headlights look like a Beetle not a 993.

The interior looks like something from an executive car. As an owner of a 996 I hate the quality of the interior, but at least it looks different to other cars' interiors.

I for one think Porsche has been too conservative. Look at its growing list of competitors, they offer exciting and beautiful designs with at least equal performance.

custardtart

1,725 posts

253 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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jl34 said:
how dull is this car? Surely the stylists could think of something more inspirational to change. Why not individul xenon lights like the carrera, or a flat nose version like old turbo's of the eighties,
how about a different dashboard design? im sure it is good but where has the charisma of the old cars gone?


You're right, porsche make dull looking cars, they don't half go well mind but is that enough nowadays. More and more people seem to go for looks over dynamics, anyone else think the boxster looks a bit dated now?

911 habit

294 posts

245 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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So we hear all the negatives. It's easy to be critical these days. What about the positives?

I sure if you all drove this car you would be more impressed with the quality etc

shoestring7

6,138 posts

246 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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GT3, GT2, KN, Carrera dull looking....?

Maybe if your idea of elegance is a Zonda maybe.

SS7

dinkel

26,942 posts

258 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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I think this new Porker hits the spot: most owners will drive 60 up and down the road to their senior managers seat. Park next to a beige Merc and a greyish 5er . . .
Track days? That will be something for the 3rd owner.

Cover the nose with your hand . . .

ninemeister, RUF do something about it!

custardtart

1,725 posts

253 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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911 habit said:
So we hear all the negatives. It's easy to be critical these days. What about the positives?

I sure if you all drove this car you would be more impressed with the quality etc

As i said, they don't half go well, that's a positive - still dull to me. Wider wheels and go faster spoilers don't hide a dull design IMHO

Thom

1,716 posts

247 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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I looked at it closely at LMC2. I wasn't sure Porsche could make something worse-looking than a 996 but they have surpassed themselves again. Hopefully the work done by top class engineers will yet again save that hideous rear engined thing from commercial failure.

dinkel

26,942 posts

258 months

Friday 30th July 2004
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A 928 passed me the other day: a classic.
New '911' is not . . . Since the interiour is Cayenne anyway: 2005, front-engined Porker anyone?

sadlerj

854 posts

284 months

Friday 30th July 2004
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Dull...bland....what's that all about.. It's called taste, if you want spoilers, vents and skirts I am sure there is plenty of those in Max Power. Personally I think it looks wonderful, in a classic Porsche understated manner. Oh and I am pleased it is not too different from my 996 so it will not be worth 20 grand less come September. I just love the way Porsche just evolve the cars making them better and better. I just cannot wait for the AMV8/997 comparisons come next spring.

ps I also prefer the 996 fried eggs

silver993tt

9,064 posts

239 months

Friday 30th July 2004
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If seen several 997's in the metal and they are very nice. Great proportions and very good quality. Definetly a better class than the 996.

fulham911club

2,046 posts

242 months

Friday 30th July 2004
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Thom said:
Hopefully the work done by top class engineers will yet again save that hideous rear engined thing from commercial failure.


but one of the most commercially succesful cars (not just sports cars) of all time.....