Jaguar S type 2.7 Diesel
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I can give you plenty of info about the late-model (ie 2004-->) S-Type, as the wife has ran a 2007 V8 Sport for the last couple of years.
Good points;
Plenty, but some of the main ones;
Lovely place to be, comfy seats and a well-built cabin. Lots of good-quality leather, seats, door-cards, centre console etc.
They handle well for a big car, ours has the sport suspension which enables the car to corner well and remains very composed and level.
General build quality is very good, perhaps not up to (perceived) Audi levels, but certainly on a par or better than other competitors.
The 6-speed J gate is a good gearbox despite being of the traditional type, worth changing gearbox oil somewhere between 50-100k though, as the 'sealed for life' nonsense is, well, nonsense.
Bad points;
Looks. Subjective I know, but some people still can't stomach the looks. I personally think the S-Type has grown into it's own skin and is ageing quite well.
Heavy car. Heavy on suspension components, bushes, brakes and tyres.
The electric/automatic handbrake can seize on through lack of use apparantly, so use it as you would a normal hanbrake, ie all the time!
Heater control motors/actuators. These can start playing up and 'chattering'. You can live with it, or try to replace them, but budget £500 for this. Lots of electrics, therefore some can play up, but it's not always the case.
The 2.7 Ford/Peugeot diesel engine. People will say "I've never had any problems etc etc", but the fact remains, the diesel engine is the weak spot in an otherwise good car. There are well known and published problems with it, which were partly resolved by the heavily revised 3.0 version (not available in the S-Type). The diesels also seem to be further away from official mpg figures than the petrol versions, dunno how true that is but we actually achieve the official figures for ours.
Hope all this helps
Good points;
Plenty, but some of the main ones;
Lovely place to be, comfy seats and a well-built cabin. Lots of good-quality leather, seats, door-cards, centre console etc.
They handle well for a big car, ours has the sport suspension which enables the car to corner well and remains very composed and level.
General build quality is very good, perhaps not up to (perceived) Audi levels, but certainly on a par or better than other competitors.
The 6-speed J gate is a good gearbox despite being of the traditional type, worth changing gearbox oil somewhere between 50-100k though, as the 'sealed for life' nonsense is, well, nonsense.
Bad points;
Looks. Subjective I know, but some people still can't stomach the looks. I personally think the S-Type has grown into it's own skin and is ageing quite well.
Heavy car. Heavy on suspension components, bushes, brakes and tyres.
The electric/automatic handbrake can seize on through lack of use apparantly, so use it as you would a normal hanbrake, ie all the time!
Heater control motors/actuators. These can start playing up and 'chattering'. You can live with it, or try to replace them, but budget £500 for this. Lots of electrics, therefore some can play up, but it's not always the case.
The 2.7 Ford/Peugeot diesel engine. People will say "I've never had any problems etc etc", but the fact remains, the diesel engine is the weak spot in an otherwise good car. There are well known and published problems with it, which were partly resolved by the heavily revised 3.0 version (not available in the S-Type). The diesels also seem to be further away from official mpg figures than the petrol versions, dunno how true that is but we actually achieve the official figures for ours.
Hope all this helps
I used to work as a technician at a Jaguar Dealer when these first came out.
We were all supprised by how good they were. The 205bhp motor quickly killed off sales of the 2.5 petrol as it was faster and much better on fuel, pretty much killed of the 3.0 petrol sales also.
3.0 was about 230-240 bhp, very little in it and at least 10mpg more from the diesel.
!IMPORTANT!
Unlike all the other jag engines it has a cam belt. The change interval is 100,000 or 105,000 miles. If you are buying a high milage car, make sure this is done, budget arround £400 for the job if not.
Fuel ecconomy varries mastivly depending on how you drive. I've had 40mpg on a long run at 80-85mph. But on a winding B road only doing only 50 but speeding up and slowing down a bit for corners etc it can be as low as 34mpg. My dad can get over 45mpg sitting at 70, but I dont have his patience.
Manual's are better on fuel, but the engine really suits the auto box, for smoother effortless cruising about the place.
Mine is a 2007 very last of the S-types, has a few optional extras put on ot for free, they called it the XS model.
There are plenty about for good money now, as with anything check for service history, anything service at the main jaguar dealer will generally be in better shape than those that arent.
The very last ones 2007 range in price from arround £13500 to arround £6500 depending on milage.
2005's like you are looking at are arround £4500 with high miles (100k) to arround £10,0000 with very low (40-45k)
The touch screen sat nav was somthing like £1500 extra at purchase new, but has only a slight difference to value now they are second hand, its well worth searching one out with this, you can still get update discs with the new maps as far as I know.
Some random examples from autotrader.
2005
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
2007
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
We were all supprised by how good they were. The 205bhp motor quickly killed off sales of the 2.5 petrol as it was faster and much better on fuel, pretty much killed of the 3.0 petrol sales also.
3.0 was about 230-240 bhp, very little in it and at least 10mpg more from the diesel.
!IMPORTANT!
Unlike all the other jag engines it has a cam belt. The change interval is 100,000 or 105,000 miles. If you are buying a high milage car, make sure this is done, budget arround £400 for the job if not.
Fuel ecconomy varries mastivly depending on how you drive. I've had 40mpg on a long run at 80-85mph. But on a winding B road only doing only 50 but speeding up and slowing down a bit for corners etc it can be as low as 34mpg. My dad can get over 45mpg sitting at 70, but I dont have his patience.
Manual's are better on fuel, but the engine really suits the auto box, for smoother effortless cruising about the place.
Mine is a 2007 very last of the S-types, has a few optional extras put on ot for free, they called it the XS model.
There are plenty about for good money now, as with anything check for service history, anything service at the main jaguar dealer will generally be in better shape than those that arent.
The very last ones 2007 range in price from arround £13500 to arround £6500 depending on milage.
2005's like you are looking at are arround £4500 with high miles (100k) to arround £10,0000 with very low (40-45k)
The touch screen sat nav was somthing like £1500 extra at purchase new, but has only a slight difference to value now they are second hand, its well worth searching one out with this, you can still get update discs with the new maps as far as I know.
Some random examples from autotrader.
2005
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
2007
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Edited by Tame Technician on Saturday 2nd June 16:05
I had one and it was, overall, very disappointing. I had a 2004 54plate with FJSH for 2 years and took it to about 150,000 miles. Just before I bought it the thing had two new turbos under warranty, apparently a massive undertaking. Packaging under the bonnet has to be seen to be believed
I swear half the reason they put that dustbin lid over it is so you don't crap your pants at the likely repair costs when you see it. In the time I had it an EGR valve needed replacement and the torque converter crapped itself and destroyed the gearbox- a VERY common occurrence on these cars by all accounts. The box was replaced with a ZF re manufactured one but it was never the same. To be honest the entire car felt like a pretty low quality product after the X300 I had, with really s
tty quality fittings in the boot and under the bonnet and lots of niggles. The washer pump died, but the crappy mild steel fittings on the undertray had rusted so they all had to be drilled out and replaced for example. Not good for a 5 year old car. Ride quality was good as an SE but not brilliant, and handling was a bit roly-poly as you'd expect. Sat nav was good, audio quality even of the uprated system was mediocre. The nastiest thing about the interior was the obviously fake moulded plastic "leather look" surround for the centre console. The X300 had this in ambla or autolux depending on the model and it really added something to the cabin - it was cringeworthy in the S-type.
On the plus side, the seats were superb and it was quiet and refined.
By biggest concern was that the car was SO complicated that I had no confidence at all that it would make it much past 150k. If you look in the classified you see next to none at big mileages. The fuel economy is pretty crap for a diesel too, so taken into account with the higher maintenance and repair costs associated with the complexity I would suggest considering a petrol engine. It's also not very quick and always feels quite short of power when pressing on - really needs another 50bhp or so as 200bhp in a car that heavy with an automatic was really not as effortless as you want a Jaguar to be. To be honest the thing was one of my biggest automotive disappointments. I always thought it would be a much, much better car with a V8 - I'd probably still have it. Not what you want to hear I expect, but there it is!
I swear half the reason they put that dustbin lid over it is so you don't crap your pants at the likely repair costs when you see it. In the time I had it an EGR valve needed replacement and the torque converter crapped itself and destroyed the gearbox- a VERY common occurrence on these cars by all accounts. The box was replaced with a ZF re manufactured one but it was never the same. To be honest the entire car felt like a pretty low quality product after the X300 I had, with really s
tty quality fittings in the boot and under the bonnet and lots of niggles. The washer pump died, but the crappy mild steel fittings on the undertray had rusted so they all had to be drilled out and replaced for example. Not good for a 5 year old car. Ride quality was good as an SE but not brilliant, and handling was a bit roly-poly as you'd expect. Sat nav was good, audio quality even of the uprated system was mediocre. The nastiest thing about the interior was the obviously fake moulded plastic "leather look" surround for the centre console. The X300 had this in ambla or autolux depending on the model and it really added something to the cabin - it was cringeworthy in the S-type. On the plus side, the seats were superb and it was quiet and refined.
By biggest concern was that the car was SO complicated that I had no confidence at all that it would make it much past 150k. If you look in the classified you see next to none at big mileages. The fuel economy is pretty crap for a diesel too, so taken into account with the higher maintenance and repair costs associated with the complexity I would suggest considering a petrol engine. It's also not very quick and always feels quite short of power when pressing on - really needs another 50bhp or so as 200bhp in a car that heavy with an automatic was really not as effortless as you want a Jaguar to be. To be honest the thing was one of my biggest automotive disappointments. I always thought it would be a much, much better car with a V8 - I'd probably still have it. Not what you want to hear I expect, but there it is!
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 19th February 19:09
Hi
If it's had the gearbox oil changed be absolutely sure they used the right ZF LifeGuard 6 or Shell MTE whatever it is oil. It's very thin, not at all like conventional ATF.
I may just have been unlucky. If you've got a good one it's a very comfortable and relaxing way to cover massive mileages. 50k flew by.
Dave
If it's had the gearbox oil changed be absolutely sure they used the right ZF LifeGuard 6 or Shell MTE whatever it is oil. It's very thin, not at all like conventional ATF.
I may just have been unlucky. If you've got a good one it's a very comfortable and relaxing way to cover massive mileages. 50k flew by.
Dave
Sometimes I wish I'd never asked the question.
I feel the comments differ so widely from very good/excellent to worst car I ever had.
So as all of us usually err on the side of caution I've decided not to buy.
That said, the test drive was very impressive, the car was very lively, very comfortable and the auto box a joy to use.
Selling price £6k with a milage of 69k. two owners full JSH.
I guess my 190 Merc will have to do for another while yet.
Steady
I feel the comments differ so widely from very good/excellent to worst car I ever had.
So as all of us usually err on the side of caution I've decided not to buy.
That said, the test drive was very impressive, the car was very lively, very comfortable and the auto box a joy to use.
Selling price £6k with a milage of 69k. two owners full JSH.
I guess my 190 Merc will have to do for another while yet.
Steady
You are right Steady, just because one person has had a problem with a car, that doesn't mean that every car is to have the same failure, but it makes you think that yours will?
I had a 2.7D from 28k through to 97k, without a second thought, it is the best car I ever owned to date.
During that time outside of normal service items I had 2 turbo’s replaced (under warranty), handbrake motor (not cheap!), rear lower suspension bushes (also not cheap!).
The main reason I got rid of the car was because of similar comments to those been made on this thread. The complexity of the car, gear box is guaranteed for life, the life of the gearbox, not the life of the car, i.e. it will fail! etc etc
If I had kept the car, it would have now covered almost 140k. I often wonder what bills I would have had during those miles outside of normal servicing, and would those bills been greater than the depreciation I have taken the hit on, on my new motor?
My lifetime mpg over the 70k was 35mpg, but that included a lot of motorway driving.
Sadly, neither of us will ever know if we made the right decision!!
I had a 2.7D from 28k through to 97k, without a second thought, it is the best car I ever owned to date.
During that time outside of normal service items I had 2 turbo’s replaced (under warranty), handbrake motor (not cheap!), rear lower suspension bushes (also not cheap!).
The main reason I got rid of the car was because of similar comments to those been made on this thread. The complexity of the car, gear box is guaranteed for life, the life of the gearbox, not the life of the car, i.e. it will fail! etc etc
If I had kept the car, it would have now covered almost 140k. I often wonder what bills I would have had during those miles outside of normal servicing, and would those bills been greater than the depreciation I have taken the hit on, on my new motor?
My lifetime mpg over the 70k was 35mpg, but that included a lot of motorway driving.
Sadly, neither of us will ever know if we made the right decision!!
I've got an 55 XS too which I've owned for a couple of years now. I've put about 30k miles on it and it's the best car I've had. I've been delighted with it and would trade up to an XF but in my eyes it just better looking and has more presence. It's had a few problems but nothing major (mainly parking sensors) but the complexity also concerns me which is why I have an after market warranty on it for peace of mind. The boot isn't the most practical as it's fairly shallow but I can get enough stuff in there for a family of four including a push chair if I have to.
The front valance on the XS bodykit is also bit low and annoyingly clips high kerbs.
Other than that great car and I'd have another
dan tournay said:
I've got an 55 XS too which I've owned for a couple of years now. I've put about 30k miles on it and it's the best car I've had. I've been delighted with it and would trade up to an XF but in my eyes it just better looking and has more presence. It's had a few problems but nothing major (mainly parking sensors) but the complexity also concerns me which is why I have an after market warranty on it for peace of mind. The boot isn't the most practical as it's fairly shallow but I can get enough stuff in there for a family of four including a push chair if I have to.
The front valance on the XS bodykit is also bit low and annoyingly clips high kerbs.
Other than that great car and I'd have another
A fairly paltry 86.20 mph/ET 16.53 seconds
There's a few on http://www.jaguarforum.co.uk/f40/ that go quite regularly. These were the times everyone achieved at the first event.
X308 XJR - 101.95 mph/ET 13.67 seconds
X350 XJR - 100.3mph/ET 14.25 seconds
XJ TDVi LWB - 90.51 mph/ET 15.73 seconds
S Type 4.0 V8 - 89.42 mph/ET 15.89 seconds
S Type 4.0 V8 - 87.53 mph/ET 15.93 seconds
S Type 2.7 TD - 86.20 mph/ET 16.53 seconds
XJ 3.0 - 82.57 mph/ET 17.08 seconds (manual gear changes)
There's a few on http://www.jaguarforum.co.uk/f40/ that go quite regularly. These were the times everyone achieved at the first event.
X308 XJR - 101.95 mph/ET 13.67 seconds
X350 XJR - 100.3mph/ET 14.25 seconds
XJ TDVi LWB - 90.51 mph/ET 15.73 seconds
S Type 4.0 V8 - 89.42 mph/ET 15.89 seconds
S Type 4.0 V8 - 87.53 mph/ET 15.93 seconds
S Type 2.7 TD - 86.20 mph/ET 16.53 seconds
XJ 3.0 - 82.57 mph/ET 17.08 seconds (manual gear changes)
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