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There has been a lot of discussion about the low weight of the GT86 / BRZ. I had a quick look at the manufacturers figures of similar coupes and was surprised at how close it was, although this assumes that Toyota are quoting the weight without driver and/or luggage.
GT86 - 1240kg
Audi TT (2.0 TSI manual gearbox) - 1280kg. This does not include an allowance for a driver or luggage.
VW Scirocco (2.0 TSI manual gearbox) - 1298kg. Again this does not include an allowance for a driver of luggage although it does include a 90% full fuel tank.
I also thought it interesting that the GT86 and Scirocco are about the same length (around 4250mm) and the TT is actually slightly shorter.
GT86 - 1240kg
Audi TT (2.0 TSI manual gearbox) - 1280kg. This does not include an allowance for a driver or luggage.
VW Scirocco (2.0 TSI manual gearbox) - 1298kg. Again this does not include an allowance for a driver of luggage although it does include a 90% full fuel tank.
I also thought it interesting that the GT86 and Scirocco are about the same length (around 4250mm) and the TT is actually slightly shorter.
Edited by Ecosseven on Sunday 10th June 23:34
HustleRussell said:
That's impressive. They're a fair bit lighter than the TT and Scirocco while carrying the heavier RWD gubbins.
Oh, I thought the exact opposite. Unimpressed.All the 'Lightweight Rear drive' hype and only 40kilos less than an Audi TT.
And, the Scirocco is quoted with approx 50kilos of fuel so in reality it weighs the same as the GT86.
Edited by cheddar on Sunday 10th June 23:43
cheddar said:
HustleRussell said:
That's impressive. They're a fair bit lighter than the TT and Scirocco while carrying the heavier RWD gubbins.
Oh, I thought the exact opposite. Unimpressed.All the 'Lightweight Rear drive' hype and only 40kilos less than an Audi TT.
And, the Scirocco is quoted with approx 50kilos of fuel so in reality it weighs the same as the GT86.
Edited by cheddar on Sunday 10th June 23:43
Assuming my assumptions are correct then I was surprised at how close the respective kerb weights are bearing in mind the hype about the GT86's lightweight construction.
otolith said:
It is a bit lighter, but most of the benefit over a hatchback derived Golf-in-a-frock kind of car is that it has a low centre of gravity and isn't nose heavy.
.Agreed. I have no doubt that the GT86 will be the better drivers car and I applaud Toyota and Subaru for bringing it to the market. Only time will tell whether or not it will be a sales success.
For a driver of my average ability and for the type of driving I do I would probably take a Scirocco over a GT86.
cheddar said:
HustleRussell said:
That's impressive. They're a fair bit lighter than the TT and Scirocco while carrying the heavier RWD gubbins.
Oh, I thought the exact opposite. Unimpressed.All the 'Lightweight Rear drive' hype and only 40kilos less than an Audi TT.
And, the Scirocco is quoted with approx 50kilos of fuel so in reality it weighs the same as the GT86.
Also, all this is before you consider the comparative axle weights front and rear between the FWD and RWD car. I've no doubt about which will be the better driver's car.
It depends what you like in a car. You won't realise a performance advantage on the road, but if you are fussy about how a car feels, it may be worth it to you. Evo preferred a hot hatch to the Subaru version, but then they also always preferred the 350Z to the RX-8, and having owned both I prefered the Mazda for the same advantages the Toyota/Subaru has. So for those who care, it is important, and for those who don't it isn't.
Ecosseven said:
It's difficult to get an exact comparison as Toyota quote the kerb weight as 1240kg but don't say whether or not this includes fuel, a driver or luggage. Audi quote 1280kg and specifically state that this excludes a driver and luggage but not whether or not the weight includes fuel. Only VW are completely clear on what their kerb weight figure includes. VW quote 1373kg's but this includes a 90% full fuel tank AND 68kg for a driver AND 7kg for luggage ( =1298kg if you subtract the weight allowance for a driver and luggage)
Assuming my assumptions are correct then I was surprised at how close the respective kerb weights are bearing in mind the hype about the GT86's lightweight construction.
Luggage? What sort of luggage? Polystyrene blocks or lead ingots?Assuming my assumptions are correct then I was surprised at how close the respective kerb weights are bearing in mind the hype about the GT86's lightweight construction.
s m said:
I'm going to wait for the full Autocar test to see what they weigh the car(s) at - that should be comparable with the weights obtained in the same way for the TT etc
Although if Toyota's figures were making it look bad compared to its rivals because they were measured differently, you'd have thought Toyota would have said something by now. Ecosseven said:
Audi TT (2.0 TSI manual gearbox) - 1280kg. This does not include an allowance for a driver or luggage.
VW Scirocco (2.0 TSI manual gearbox) - 1298kg. Again this does not include an allowance for a driver of luggage although it does include a 90% full fuel tank.
Seriously? I was expecting these to be 1400+kg - wasn't the Megane 265 (also a 2.0l turbo and coupe-ish) also around this weight (1398kg?) and everyone was banging on how "lightweight" it was? VW Scirocco (2.0 TSI manual gearbox) - 1298kg. Again this does not include an allowance for a driver of luggage although it does include a 90% full fuel tank.
(or was that compared to the 1500kg Focus RS?)cheddar said:
HustleRussell said:
That's impressive. They're a fair bit lighter than the TT and Scirocco while carrying the heavier RWD gubbins.
Oh, I thought the exact opposite. Unimpressed.All the 'Lightweight Rear drive' hype and only 40kilos less than an Audi TT.
And, the Scirocco is quoted with approx 50kilos of fuel so in reality it weighs the same as the GT86.
Edited by cheddar on Sunday 10th June 23:43
The 2.0 TSi R they tested 24/02/10 had a kerb weight of 1400kg.
Seems a fair bit heavier to me unless they had dodgy scales?
MarkRSi said:
Ecosseven said:
Audi TT (2.0 TSI manual gearbox) - 1280kg. This does not include an allowance for a driver or luggage.
VW Scirocco (2.0 TSI manual gearbox) - 1298kg. Again this does not include an allowance for a driver of luggage although it does include a 90% full fuel tank.
Seriously? I was expecting these to be 1400+kg - wasn't the Megane 265 (also a 2.0l turbo and coupe-ish) also around this weight (1398kg?) and everyone was banging on how "lightweight" it was? VW Scirocco (2.0 TSI manual gearbox) - 1298kg. Again this does not include an allowance for a driver of luggage although it does include a 90% full fuel tank.
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