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98elise
Original Poster
3,167 posts
30 months
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My wife just called me to say that someone has smeared s  t all over my lotus, and on the house wall  This is the day after I told my BTL tenant that they need to leave the property due to rent arrears! Is actually a crime? Obviously its not damaged as it will wash off, but I'd like to record it incase things start to escalate.
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littleredrooster
1,448 posts
65 months
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Criminal damage perhaps? Definitely worth reporting in case it escalates.
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10 Pence Short
27,601 posts
86 months
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It's criminal damage. Take pictures and if you feel necessary, call the Police and report. Leave it on the car until they arrive.
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Robb F
3,838 posts
40 months
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98elise
Original Poster
3,167 posts
30 months
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Unfortunately my wife washed it off before calling me, so we have no evidence.
She's pretty worried as it happened in a short space of time while she and the kids were out.
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98elise
Original Poster
3,167 posts
30 months
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Derek Smith
16,044 posts
117 months
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Subject to it being put onto the vehicle by a human being with the necessary mens rea it is criminal damage. The vehicle has to be modified, ie washed, before it can be used.
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otolith
19,374 posts
73 months
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Derek Smith said: Subject to it being put onto the vehicle by a human being with the necessary mens rea it is criminal damage. The vehicle has to be modified, ie washed, before it can be used. I'm remembering something to do with stickering a door being considered criminal damage, which would support your interpretation?
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98elise
Original Poster
3,167 posts
30 months
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Derek Smith said: Subject to it being put onto the vehicle by a human being with the necessary mens rea it is criminal damage. The vehicle has to be modified, ie washed, before it can be used. Thanks, that sounds right. So how best to report it? Obviously I'd like the full blues and two's and a load of CSI's round, but I suspect they many be busy on more serious stuff. Do I just call the non emergency number, or is there some other way I should report something like this?
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Mastodon2
5,740 posts
34 months
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98elise said: Thanks, that sounds right.
So how best to report it?
Obviously I'd like the full blues and two's and a load of CSI's round, but I suspect they many be busy on more serious stuff.
Do I just call the non emergency number, or is there some other way I should report something like this? I think you might get further if you speak to someone in person. A diary appointment maybe? Either way, I'd definitely want a written, signed and dated copy of whatever documentation the police make, will be a good thing to keep in your back pocket in case your dodgy tenant becomes difficult to extract.
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Derek Smith
16,044 posts
117 months
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Mastodon2 said: I think you might get further if you speak to someone in person. A diary appointment maybe? Either way, I'd definitely want a written, signed and dated copy of whatever documentation the police make, will be a good thing to keep in your back pocket in case your dodgy tenant becomes difficult to extract. X2. Derek
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jazzyjeff
3,504 posts
128 months
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Derek Smith said: Mastodon2 said: I think you might get further if you speak to someone in person. A diary appointment maybe? Either way, I'd definitely want a written, signed and dated copy of whatever documentation the police make, will be a good thing to keep in your back pocket in case your dodgy tenant becomes difficult to extract. X2. Derek x3 Keeping regular, diarea is the way
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oyster
5,212 posts
117 months
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jazzyjeff said: Derek Smith said: Mastodon2 said: I think you might get further if you speak to someone in person. A diary appointment maybe? Either way, I'd definitely want a written, signed and dated copy of whatever documentation the police make, will be a good thing to keep in your back pocket in case your dodgy tenant becomes difficult to extract. X2. Derek x3 Keeping regular, diarea is the way 
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DaveH23
949 posts
39 months
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littleredrooster said: Criminal damage perhaps? Definitely worth reporting in case it escalates. Whilst I hope this is the case and I hope the culprit is caught and coloured in using said excrement I really don’t see how this is criminal damage. After being cleaned was there any damage? As mentioned though keep a diary of anything that does happen? Is there anyway the OP could set up some kind of camera?
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John145
354 posts
25 months
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DaveH23 said: Whilst I hope this is the case and I hope the culprit is caught and coloured in using said excrement I really don’t see how this is criminal damage.
After being cleaned was there any damage?
As mentioned though keep a diary of anything that does happen?
Is there anyway the OP could set up some kind of camera? As someone mentioned earlier, action was required to put the vehicle into a usable condition hence damage. Just as the same way letting the air out of people's tyres is criminal damage!
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DaveH23
949 posts
39 months
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John145 said: DaveH23 said: Whilst I hope this is the case and I hope the culprit is caught and coloured in using said excrement I really don’t see how this is criminal damage.
After being cleaned was there any damage?
As mentioned though keep a diary of anything that does happen?
Is there anyway the OP could set up some kind of camera? As someone mentioned earlier, action was required to put the vehicle into a usable condition hence damage. Just as the same way letting the air out of people's tyres is criminal damage! So driving along a dirty road is criminal damage if you have to wash your car aswell (exact same 'fix') As I mentioned I hope the scrote is caught but I really do not agree that this is classed as damage.
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otolith
19,374 posts
73 months
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Where would you draw the line at substances which need to be cleaned off? If not s t, how about axle grease? Candle wax? Poster paint? Emulsion? Gloss paint? Spray paint?
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PAULJ5555
910 posts
45 months
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But what has been damaged???? for criminal damage.
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otolith
19,374 posts
73 months
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DaveH23
949 posts
39 months
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otolith said: I believe he is trying to say there is no damage - just a mess.
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