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DiabloInd9
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12 months
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matc
4,272 posts
76 months
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For me, the biggest issue with cars like the Gumpert, and to a lesser extent a Spyker, is that they're still a relative unknown.
Yes they're probably fantastically built, but the R&D would have been a fraction of what Ferrari have spent, so reliability 'could' be an issue, and re-sale would also be a complete pain as there aren't many people happy to put £200k into a non main-stream car.
Just look at Lotus for example - the Evora has recieved rave reviews in the press, but how many people would go and buy one instead of a Cayman or 911 - hardly any.
IMO the only small car maker to have made it into the big league in recent years has been Pagani. A couple of manufacturers are almost there - Koenigsegg/Spyker, but I would say most people who have to choose either/or, would go for the safer option.
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Sexual Chocolate
837 posts
13 months
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stop posting links to that GT2 RS. I am trying my hardest not to buy it. 200K for a gumpert sounds interesting though. 
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matc
4,272 posts
76 months
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Sexual Chocolate said: stop posting links to that GT2 RS. I am trying my hardest not to buy it. 200K for a gumpert sounds interesting though. I'll just pop this here to help with the decision making process!  
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DiabloInd9
Original Poster
10 posts
12 months
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matc said: For me, the biggest issue with cars like the Gumpert, and to a lesser extent a Spyker, is that they're still a relative unknown.
Yes they're probably fantastically built, but the R&D would have been a fraction of what Ferrari have spent, so reliability 'could' be an issue, and re-sale would also be a complete pain as there aren't many people happy to put £200k into a non main-stream car.
Just look at Lotus for example - the Evora has recieved rave reviews in the press, but how many people would go and buy one instead of a Cayman or 911 - hardly any.
IMO the only small car maker to have made it into the big league in recent years has been Pagani. A couple of manufacturers are almost there - Koenigsegg/Spyker, but I would say most people who have to choose either/or, would go for the safer option. Thanks for your reply. Isn't reliability an issue with Ferrari's and Lamborghini's too; Or was it just the older models like the 355 and the Diablos? Are the new launches of Ferrari 458 and the 458 as reliable as Audis and Bmws? Arent small manufacturers like Gumpert and Ascari source most of their parts and engine from the likes or Audi and Mercedes? Thanks
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R11ysf
1,301 posts
51 months
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Also you have to bear in mind it is easy to spend imaginary fantasy money but when it is your own hard earned you think about things like reliability, depreciation and how easy it will be to sell. I love the Koenigsegg (those doors - wow) but look how long they are for sale in the classifieds for. Literally years. If you want a car and think in a year or 2 you may want a different one then these are not things that have a very liquid market. It doesn't matter if it will be a car for life but most supercar owners chop and change them frequently.
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Luca Brasi
758 posts
43 months
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If you were to spend this much money on a car I might just as well look good. That Gumpert (what a name btw) looks just unbelievably awful, don't care how amazing it is to drive (very, probably).
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RedSpike66
1,965 posts
81 months
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It will be interesting to see how Lotus fair with the new V8 Espirit...
I was at Morgan factory tour the other month, and even tho I think it looks cross-eyed and ugly, the Aero8 sells quite a few cars a year. Both small manufacturers with small R&D budgets, and obviously both not hypercars by the standards of those mentioned above, but they have their fans.
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will_
4,039 posts
72 months
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R11ysf said: Also you have to bear in mind it is easy to spend imaginary fantasy money but when it is your own hard earned you think about things like reliability, depreciation and how easy it will be to sell. I love the Koenigsegg (those doors - wow) but look how long they are for sale in the classifieds for. Literally years. If you want a car and think in a year or 2 you may want a different one then these are not things that have a very liquid market. It doesn't matter if it will be a car for life but most supercar owners chop and change them frequently. Indeed, my view is that this is the crux of the matter. All these generally less well known brands are clearly absolutely impossible to shift quickly unless you're prepared to lose tens of thousands - which you wouldn't have lost if you'd gone more "mainstream".
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Guyr
1,887 posts
151 months
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Quite simple really:
No idea about reliability
No idea about running costs
No idea about re-sale values
It's therefore a brave man who buys a 'new' brand.
Those who bought early Zondas, especially used have done very well, those who bought 'eggs or Gumperts or a dozen other crazy mainly UK small specialists not so.
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Davey S2
8,651 posts
123 months
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DiabloInd9 said: Hi Guys,
The question I have is why does one not consider exotics like the Spyker Because the Spyker is in simple terms 'an absolute munter'? Horrible, horrible looking car.
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CIE560
10,435 posts
62 months
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Davey S2 said: Because the Spyker is in simple terms 'an absolute munter'?
Horrible, horrible looking car. If a catfish could drive, that would be its car of choice because it looks like one.
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TISPKJ
1,194 posts
76 months
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The minute I saw the word Spyker I was going to say to the OP go and look at one for your answer, sorry but it just a total miss match of old morgan / MG interior with a modern kit car body, lovely engine and sounds the nuts for sure.
Gumpert as has been said to much of an unknown for that money.
I had kind of penciled in the cheap egg on here at the moment as my "cheap" one day car what with the enzo and zonda being double money, again go and look at it, the dashboard is about 4 foot long !!
Others to add to your question would be the saleen and the Hennessy, the Hennessy is just awesome and build quality very good but would I buy one if I only had one lot of 300k or so to spend I dont know.
Also I think a lot of people tend to go for new if they can, having looked recently at an egg zonda and f40 and 50 without some serious work I dont think I would have any of those that I looked at over say a 599 gto, then you have to ask yourself the question is a gto really 200k better than a std car to look at and drive ? ...... its difficult :-)
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Sexual Chocolate
837 posts
13 months
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matc said: Sexual Chocolate said: stop posting links to that GT2 RS. I am trying my hardest not to buy it. 200K for a gumpert sounds interesting though. I'll just pop this here to help with the decision making process! That is NOT helping. its not got the club sport package and its a 170K 911. Though look at it. I bet it loves being "riden hard and put away wet". We could have so much fun together. No...its a 170K 911 the same price as a decent murci roadster.
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CIE560
10,435 posts
62 months
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Sexual Chocolate said: No...its a 170K 911 the same price as a decent murci roadster. 
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Sexual Chocolate
837 posts
13 months
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CIE560 said: The greater fool theory springs to mind with this 911.
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Facelvega
55 posts
30 months
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How can anyone say that that interior is not amazing? I can see the Catfish bit though? Didn't stop me from wanting and then buying one. Oh look another 911, another 430? Wow look a Gumbert, Enzo, Zonda, MC12 or Facel Vega? It's wow because how often do you see one. Go those crazy petrolheads that don't follow the rest of the sheep!!!! url]  |http://thumbsnap.com/i5oV49m[/url] 
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Sexual Chocolate
837 posts
13 months
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Luca Brasi said: If you were to spend this much money on a car I might just as well look good. That Gumpert (what a name btw) looks just unbelievably awful, don't care how amazing it is to drive (very, probably). I disagree with this. The gumpert looks purposeful. Where as a 430, gallardo, mp4 12c doesn't. They look the dogs danglies and at 200k it could be a proper bargain but its all about the residuals. Could I flog it? Will it fleece me left right and center at every service. If these things didn't come into the equation I would have it in a heartbeat. I bet it drives a whole better than any mainstream car. I say drives what I mean is excite. Then again I am drawn to spending stupid cash on a 911 so my logic is probably flawed.
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F355spider
976 posts
100 months
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Facelvega said: Sorry but all i see is 
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Facelvega
55 posts
30 months
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Your right. That's brilliant! Who said Catfish?
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