Ford EcoBoost 1.0
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Wondering if anybody knows much about the new Ford EcoBoost 1.0 engine - 125BHP?
its not very PH - but my dad (who has no interest in cars) is looking to buy a new focus and is interested in the engine
the facts and figures all seem ok - but it just seems extremely small to me for a car the size of a focus
for reference he currently has an 8 year old 1.6 petrol focus - so guessing performance should be similar?
its not very PH - but my dad (who has no interest in cars) is looking to buy a new focus and is interested in the engine
the facts and figures all seem ok - but it just seems extremely small to me for a car the size of a focus
for reference he currently has an 8 year old 1.6 petrol focus - so guessing performance should be similar?
Krikkit said:
but being so highly stressed I have worries about long-term reliability with these engines.
What makes you say that? Would you say the new Focus ST engine is highly stressed? (i'm talking about the new 2.0 one BTW) That also puts out 125hp per litre... I'm guessing you're confusing engine size with the amount of stress its under.I've driven the car and I have to the agree with the press reviews...its a fantastic engine, much better, more torque and fuel consumption than the outgoing 1.6 N/A.
Ford are planning to put this in the next Fiesta, B-Max, Kuga and Mondeo so they must be confident of it's long term reliability and undergone extensive durability tests.
I've heard from inside Ford that some versions will include a 150 bhp variant and that they have tested the engine up to 180 bhp!
Ford are planning to put this in the next Fiesta, B-Max, Kuga and Mondeo so they must be confident of it's long term reliability and undergone extensive durability tests.
I've heard from inside Ford that some versions will include a 150 bhp variant and that they have tested the engine up to 180 bhp!
Actually, they're geared very well - had one as a courtesy car while the Fiesta was being serviced last month.
Providing you don't drive everywhere at ten tenths, the engine isn't under that much stress at all. The turbo means it can pick up pace pretty well around town, and it maintains 70mph in top with no dramas, not over-revving.
In fairness, the kind of person likely to buy an 'eco boost' car, isn't the sort of person considering taking it on hot laps of Silverstone, so I shouldn't imagine reliability will be a big problem on them.
Providing you don't drive everywhere at ten tenths, the engine isn't under that much stress at all. The turbo means it can pick up pace pretty well around town, and it maintains 70mph in top with no dramas, not over-revving.
In fairness, the kind of person likely to buy an 'eco boost' car, isn't the sort of person considering taking it on hot laps of Silverstone, so I shouldn't imagine reliability will be a big problem on them.
I would be slightly hesitant being one of the first to buy any new engine model.
No matter how much testing the company may do, there is always the possibility of real world driving causing new problems. Take the VW group 1.4tsi as an example, which is known to burn oil like there is no tomorrow, and is something VW are still trying to find a long term remedy for.
No matter how much testing the company may do, there is always the possibility of real world driving causing new problems. Take the VW group 1.4tsi as an example, which is known to burn oil like there is no tomorrow, and is something VW are still trying to find a long term remedy for.
Krikkit said:
How many years does he plan on keeping the car?
For a 3-year deal under warranty I wouldn't hesitate to buy, they're a fantastic engine from what I've read, but being so highly stressed I have worries about long-term reliability with these engines.
Are the3y highly stressed??? For a 3-year deal under warranty I wouldn't hesitate to buy, they're a fantastic engine from what I've read, but being so highly stressed I have worries about long-term reliability with these engines.
325Ti said:
Wondering if anybody knows much about the new Ford EcoBoost 1.0 engine - 125BHP?
its not very PH - but my dad (who has no interest in cars) is looking to buy a new focus and is interested in the engine
the facts and figures all seem ok - but it just seems extremely small to me for a car the size of a focus
for reference he currently has an 8 year old 1.6 petrol focus - so guessing performance should be similar?
But is it a small engine?its not very PH - but my dad (who has no interest in cars) is looking to buy a new focus and is interested in the engine
the facts and figures all seem ok - but it just seems extremely small to me for a car the size of a focus
for reference he currently has an 8 year old 1.6 petrol focus - so guessing performance should be similar?
Forced induction (turbo/supercharging) is all about increasing an engines dynamic or effective displacement.
i.e.
If you force 2 atmosphere's of pressure into an engine you are effectively doubling it's displacement. I don't know what sort of boost this 1.0 litre eco engine is running, but I suspect 12-14psi doesn't sound unreasonable. In which case it's really a 2.0 litre effective engine, but with probably a fatter torque curve in the mid range.
The biggest thing to watch, is these low displacement turbo units have been specifically designed to perform very well in Euro Co2 and fuel rating tests. This is what gives the engine it's printed credentials Ford can advertise. However I suspect the reality will be that in real world usage you'll see significantly lower mile per gallon from it.
I think (like any engine when it first comes out) no-one really knows how it will fare in the long run. I don't really see any reason to be more suspicious of it than any other relatively high specific output forced induction engine. It's only putting out 125bhp/litre which is no more than comparable engines from other manufacturers and I think Ford generally have a pretty recent record for engine reliability.
Ford have had a big mountain to climb in the US with the EcoBoost, they're replacing V8s with turbocharged V6. They've spent a LOT of money convincing people of the durability of the EcoBoost, even getting them on TV shows (Ice Road Truckers were out towing a broken artic tractor with an EcoBoost F150).
Rickyy said:
I'm all for these engines, will be nice to have an alternative to a diesel when used prices fall low enough.
What sort of MPG are they claiming? What is the power delivery like on these?
Claimed is 56mpg combined, the Honest John MPG list would suggest about 46mpg in the real world. Still sounds decent to me!What sort of MPG are they claiming? What is the power delivery like on these?
As far as power delivery goes there's full torque available from 1400-4000 RPM with peak power at 6k, so it should be fairly driveable, although you'll need to work it hard to get full performance, like most turbos it should shift along nicely through the torque band.
Edit: I say they're highly stressed because unlike larger engines putting out 125bhp/litre this one is likely to be used harder for its entire life. The engine in the ST puts out the same specific power, but won't be used anywhere near as hard pottering about in daily traffic.
Krikkit said:
Rickyy said:
I'm all for these engines, will be nice to have an alternative to a diesel when used prices fall low enough.
What sort of MPG are they claiming? What is the power delivery like on these?
Claimed is 56mpg combined, the Honest John MPG list would suggest about 46mpg in the real world. Still sounds decent to me!What sort of MPG are they claiming? What is the power delivery like on these?
As far as power delivery goes there's full torque available from 1400-4000 RPM with peak power at 6k, so it should be fairly driveable, although you'll need to work it hard to get full performance, like most turbos it should shift along nicely through the torque band.
300bhp/ton said:
I've not driven one or seen any dyno plots. But if it's boosting as low as 1400rpm and isn't using a VNC or bi-turbo setup, then I suspect the powerband will nose over in the higher rpms as the turbo runs out of puff. So maybe you won't have to work it quite so hard to extract the most from it.
What he said...It's similar to my diesel fiesta to drive - you want to keep it between 2000 and 4000 rpm to get the best from it. This means frequent gear changes, but you don't have to work the engine hard.
300bhp/ton said:
325Ti said:
Wondering if anybody knows much about the new Ford EcoBoost 1.0 engine - 125BHP?
its not very PH - but my dad (who has no interest in cars) is looking to buy a new focus and is interested in the engine
the facts and figures all seem ok - but it just seems extremely small to me for a car the size of a focus
for reference he currently has an 8 year old 1.6 petrol focus - so guessing performance should be similar?
But is it a small engine?its not very PH - but my dad (who has no interest in cars) is looking to buy a new focus and is interested in the engine
the facts and figures all seem ok - but it just seems extremely small to me for a car the size of a focus
for reference he currently has an 8 year old 1.6 petrol focus - so guessing performance should be similar?
Forced induction (turbo/supercharging) is all about increasing an engines dynamic or effective displacement.
i.e.
If you force 2 atmosphere's of pressure into an engine you are effectively doubling it's displacement. I don't know what sort of boost this 1.0 litre eco engine is running, but I suspect 12-14psi doesn't sound unreasonable. In which case it's really a 2.0 litre effective engine, but with probably a fatter torque curve in the mid range.
The biggest thing to watch, is these low displacement turbo units have been specifically designed to perform very well in Euro Co2 and fuel rating tests. This is what gives the engine it's printed credentials Ford can advertise. However I suspect the reality will be that in real world usage you'll see significantly lower mile per gallon from it.
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