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cwis

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564 posts

66 months

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165073/My...

Lie under oath, cheat, steal... Not a stereotype at all.

Ali Chappussy

349 posts

32 months

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Sentence should have been longer!

FourWheelDrift

61,677 posts

171 months

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Scumbags the lot if them. In fact that's a better alternative name for them than traveller. You can't be accused of racism by calling someone a scumbag.

funkyrobot

8,588 posts

115 months

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Will they have to move him to different cells every few weeks?

Malx

835 posts

91 months

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I think the sentence is a disgrace.
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Blackpuddin

5,758 posts

92 months

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great thread title laugh

MagicalTrevor

5,423 posts

116 months

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Blackpuddin said:
great thread title laugh
I was just thinking to myself, that's a long title but it should be made into an acronym... and then the penny dropped! hehe

Jasandjules

51,845 posts

116 months

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Malx said:
I think the sentence is a disgrace.
Should be more than double that.

dudleybloke

8,556 posts

73 months

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a rather short stretch for the crimes in my opinion.
can we deport him back to eire when he gets out?

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

104 months

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Jasandjules said:
Malx said:
I think the sentence is a disgrace.
Should be more than double that.
On what basis? I've given my opinion on the thread in SP&L, but the maximum sentence for the crime he pleaded guilty to is 5 years. With the discount for that guilty plea applied, the sentence handed down in this case is about as high as it possibly could be.

Morally we may all argue about the rights and wrongs of what the law allows but, on a site full of motoring enthusiasts, I'd find it surprising if the consensus was that Death by Careless should have a maximum sentence greater than 5 years. After all, you're punishing someone for 'merely' falling below the standard expected of a careful and competent driver, examples of which would be pulling out of a junction without looking properly or undertaking.

Mr_B

6,356 posts

130 months

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Gypsy,Doherty,crashing,van,died , fled ,death by dangerous death,lacking insurance ,while disqualified,escaped jail,brawl , pub, banned ,drunk,Mitsubishi Shogun ,bare-knuckle boxing,Jailing,Traveller’s Park , changed his plea , stole ,allegation,on bail ,previous convictions ,drink driving,brawl outside a courthouse, cousin.

dudleybloke

8,556 posts

73 months

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there should be a difference in punishment from a standard death by dangerous driving charge and death by drunk driving.
and he fled the scene.
and all his other offences.
should have done him for the lot with maximum time inside for them all.
then deport him!

Malx

835 posts

91 months

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10 Pence Short said:
On what basis? I've given my opinion on the thread in SP&L, but the maximum sentence for the crime he pleaded guilty to is 5 years. With the discount for that guilty plea applied, the sentence handed down in this case is about as high as it possibly could be.

Morally we may all argue about the rights and wrongs of what the law allows but, on a site full of motoring enthusiasts, I'd find it surprising if the consensus was that Death by Careless should have a maximum sentence greater than 5 years. After all, you're punishing someone for 'merely' falling below the standard expected of a careful and competent driver, examples of which would be pulling out of a junction without looking properly or undertaking.
He was already disqualified so by stealing a car he clearly doesn't care about his first punishment. He crashed and ran away which I can almost live with, maybe he was in shock but he then stole another car.

He was told by a court not to drive, but he did, then he stole a car.....

ETA: The careless driving bit, assuming he was sober he made a mistake while driving, these things happen so yes he should get the punishment for that crime, 5 years. However it's the fact he was already banned etc.


Edited by Malx on Wednesday 27th June 14:17

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

96 months

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While he's there can HMRC have a look into his and his family's financial affairs?

IMHO their lifestyle exceeds their income by some margin.

Hooli

28,331 posts

87 months

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MagicalTrevor said:
Blackpuddin said:
great thread title laugh
I was just thinking to myself, that's a long title but it should be made into an acronym... and then the penny dropped! hehe
rofl

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

104 months

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Malx said:
He was already disqualified so by stealing a car he clearly doesn't care about his first punishment. He crashed and ran away which I can almost live with, maybe he was in shock but he then stole another car.

He was told by a court not to drive, but he did, then he stole a car.....

ETA: The careless driving bit, assuming he was sober he made a mistake while driving, these things happen so yes he should get the punishment for that crime, 5 years. However it's the fact he was already banned etc.


Edited by Malx on Wednesday 27th June 14:17
There can be variations either way, but generally sentences for multiple offences arising from the same incident would run concurrently rather than consecutively. I don't know what the case law is regarding concurrent sentences where driving whilst disqualified and TWOC occur with a driving standards offence carrying a custodial sentence. I can see how it would be possible for the Perp in this case to be found guilty of all three and receive 3 custodial sentences, to run concurrently. If that's the case, then he's still been imprisoned for the longest he could realistically be (Theft can carry up to 7 years, I think, but there's nothing to say his theft offence should be near the top of the scale).


Edited by 10 Pence Short on Wednesday 27th June 16:03

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