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£290 mill in fines, what do bankers have to do go to prison?

£290 mill in fines, what do bankers have to do go to prison?

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Adrian W

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10,248 posts

133 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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How much did they actually make out of it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18612279

Edited by Adrian W on Wednesday 27th June 15:43

trickywoo

5,533 posts

135 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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Peston - "It's quite hard to think of behaviour by a bank as shocking as this: not telling the truth about what it is costing you to borrow, that then becomes a benchmark for pricing other deals."

Sums it up quite nicely. I really think a 10 year plus prison sentance is justified for behaviour like this and its probably the only deterent as they have almost certainly made more out of the scam than the fines amount to.

Soovy

34,773 posts

176 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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I would imagine that prison sentences will be handed out shortly.

Varley will not now be Governor of the Bank of England, I wouldn't have thought.

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

122 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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Unfortunate name of the day #32:

Barclays Chief Executive of Corporate and Investment Banking, Mr. Rich Ricci.

Use Psychology

11,327 posts

97 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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they's go to prison if anyone caught them EATING BABIES.

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Digga

17,136 posts

188 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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Question I was pondering about this manipulation of Libor; suppose 'a big corporation' that signed a Libor-based deal felt it had lost out due to this (fraudulent?) activity, what's the liability Barclays face?

fido

11,818 posts

160 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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Soovy said:
I would imagine that prison sentences will be handed out shortly.

Varley will not now be Governor of the Bank of England, I wouldn't have thought.
Probably just the traders/managers involved. It's a bit of dilemma in the sense that their [submitters] job is to 'fix' the price. Of course the collusion bit is the serious offence. And PR-wise it's a disaster.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/shocking-details-bar...

iii. On Monday, 13 March 2006, the following email exchange took place:

Trader C: “The big day [has] arrived… My NYK are screaming at me about an unchanged 3m libor. As always, any help wd be greatly appreciated. What do you think you’ll go for 3m?”

Submitter: “I am going 90 altho 91 is what I should be posting”.

Trader C: “[…] when I retire and write a book about this business your name will be written in golden letters […]”.

Submitter: “I would prefer this [to] not be in any book!”

laugh

Edited by fido on Wednesday 27th June 16:45

Apache

39,690 posts

189 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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Use Psychology said:
they's go to prison if anyone caught them EATING BABIES.
eh?

Use Psychology

11,327 posts

97 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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sorry, just imagining newspaper headlines in keeping with the current popular opinion of bankers.

the debate is hindered by the inability of most people to tell the difference between bankers (people who work for banks, probably quite reasonable, normal and nice people) and banks (fked up organisations).

ukwill

7,954 posts

112 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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10 Pence Short said:
Unfortunate name of the day #32:

Barclays Chief Executive of Corporate and Investment Banking, Mr. Rich Ricci.
Saw that and thought the same hehe

Adrian W

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10,248 posts

133 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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Use Psychology said:
sorry, just imagining newspaper headlines in keeping with the current popular opinion of bankers.

the debate is hindered by the inability of most people to tell the difference between bankers (people who work for banks, probably quite reasonable, normal and nice people) and banks (fked up organisations).
I'm having a little trouble with this, people manipulated the rates not organisations, however it does seem that people are immune from any consequences from their direct actions, in any other industry arrests would have been made

DickHerpes

900 posts

64 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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Rape the Queen.

ellroy

3,829 posts

130 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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Adrian W said:
I'm having a little trouble with this, people manipulated the rates not organisations, however it does seem that people are immune from any consequences from their direct actions, in any other industry arrests would have been made
Not that immune. Most are no longer employed, and those that are, only due to ongoing investigations, are now in the midst of a rather large arse feeling.

On top of that I would not be surprised if legal proceedings were to soon follow on an individual basis from the regulators.

ukwill

7,954 posts

112 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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DickHerpes said:
Rape the Queen.
confused

scenario8

4,296 posts

84 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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ukwill said:
DickHerpes said:
Rape the Queen.
confused
I suspect it was his (DickHerpes') answer to the OP's question.

Use Psychology

11,327 posts

97 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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scenario8 said:
ukwill said:
DickHerpes said:
Rape the Queen.
confused
I suspect it was his (DickHerpes') answer to the OP's question.
aww crap, I was all ready to carry out his instruction.

ukwill

7,954 posts

112 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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scenario8 said:
I suspect it was his (DickHerpes') answer to the OP's question.
Ah! I thought it was tourettes or something.

VinceFox

20,190 posts

77 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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Can someone give me a potted down "newsround" version of this?

johnfm

12,598 posts

155 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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VinceFox said:
Can someone give me a potted down "newsround" version of this?
Libor and Euribor are set buy asking a bunch of banks "how much would you pay for an interbank loan at 11am today?" The 'setters' answer this Q.


Some of the banks' business (revenues from derivaives, swaps etc) may more profitable depending on Libor.

So some traders at Barclays would ask the team of 'setters' to set the quote lower than the real value because it was advantageous for their trades.

Basically, artificially setting Libor in collusion (it seems ) with other banks.

It is naughty.

ukwill

7,954 posts

112 months

Wednesday 27th June 2012
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VinceFox said:
Can someone give me a potted down "newsround" version of this?
bank tried to manipulate benchmark reference rate. got found out. heap big fine.