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McClure

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1,200 posts

15 months

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Wednesday 27th June 2012 quote quote all
This 355 Challenge is up for sale at the Silverstone auctions. Quite possibly the nicest F355 I've ever seen.



www.silverstoneauctions.com/ferrari-355-challenge

Guide price £28k-£32k - it's been stored for some time and may need some remedial works apparently.

12 months too soon for me to be realistically interested, sadly. banghead

Out of interest though how much do these usually go for in a decent driveable condition?

bing

1,047 posts

107 months

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Thursday 28th June 2012 quote quote all
Nice very nice

rubystone

7,044 posts

128 months

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Thursday 28th June 2012 quote quote all
There seem to be several of these cars around - IIRC one or two on the FOC site for some time...does that suggest they are hard to shift?...hence the auction?...

coanda

1,730 posts

59 months

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Thursday 28th June 2012 quote quote all
Very nice. Estimate seems a little low with regard to other 355s on the classifieds. Is this because it has a sealed engine and a racing fuel system?

I wonder if that means a bag tank that's time expired and an engine that's in need of work?

No intention to knock the car, genuinely curious.

TISPKJ

1,194 posts

76 months

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Thursday 28th June 2012 quote quote all
Looks like a very nice and rare car, only comments are that those in the classifieds have been for sale for a long while, not sure if can be raced in any series any longer but this one would make a lovely road car .... Id do the swap I think
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EVOeng

802 posts

39 months

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Thursday 28th June 2012 quote quote all
Odd seats to have in a Challenge, a radio and handbrake too!

TISPKJ

1,194 posts

76 months

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Thursday 28th June 2012 quote quote all
My thoughts too

Was it possible to order a road car to Challenge spec from the factory ?, the add does not make this clear.
Most as you say have stripped out interior and cage.
Note this one does not have a cage so unsure how it's challenge spec ?

MrFreight

106 posts

18 months

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Thursday 28th June 2012 quote quote all
Looks like an old former Race/Track Day car that someone is trying to shift to me - probably been sat in the back of someones Garage - now getting in the way - I'll bet if the car is examined closely there will be all the tell tale evidence of its former lfe (for what it was built for might I add).

I'm under the impression that some of the 355 Challenge cars have been converted to "Road legal" spec but I'm sure where never sold as a Road car when new.

ellis427

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48 months

bryn_p

276 posts

98 months

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Thursday 28th June 2012 quote quote all
ellis427 said:
That is very nice... although looking through the lot list wow!

http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/maserati-bi-tur...
These are brilliant, I had one a few years ago. Flawed yes but will always put a smile on your face (when it's working hehe)

Cheers,
Bryn.

WCZ

1,457 posts

63 months

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Thursday 28th June 2012 quote quote all
some really conservative estimates in that lot!

Tuvra

3,527 posts

94 months

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Thursday 28th June 2012 quote quote all
WCZ said:
some really conservative estimates in that lot!
I find its common at auction nowadays regardless of what the auction is for, Property, plates, cars etc scratchchin

WCZ

1,457 posts

63 months

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Thursday 28th June 2012 quote quote all
Tuvra said:
I find its common at auction nowadays regardless of what the auction is for, Property, plates, cars etc scratchchin
Kind of, I've seen a fair bit of Art at auctions meet/go for less than estimates though.

McClure

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1,200 posts

15 months

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Thursday 28th June 2012 quote quote all
TISPKJ said:
My thoughts too

Was it possible to order a road car to Challenge spec from the factory ?, the add does not make this clear.
Most as you say have stripped out interior and cage.
Note this one does not have a cage so unsure how it's challenge spec ?
The ad says "Cars left the factory in either the full Challenge specification or were uprated with the official upgrade kit." so I'd say this one was bought as a standard 355 and uprated, but kept the road interior. It's the ideal combination really.

Whoever above said this is probably a track day car that has been left standing is probably correct.

It is utterly, utterly lovely though. A colleague has just bought a concours-standard "rosso corsa" F355 GTS and IMO this challenge blows that out of the water.*


(*in looks, obviously not in condition)

Boshly

1,732 posts

105 months

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Tuesday 10th July 2012 quote quote all
McClure said:
The ad says "Cars left the factory in either the full Challenge specification or were uprated with the official upgrade kit." so I'd say this one was bought as a standard 355 and uprated, but kept the road interior. It's the ideal combination really.
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But the blurb clearly states otherwise??? Later addition?

Lightningman

1,079 posts

51 months

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Tuesday 10th July 2012 quote quote all
The Challenge kit for the Berlinetta was circa $30,000+ but this car seems to be missing the full cage and some of the more obvious bits. It is my undestanding that all Challenge cars started off as Berlinettas and that conversions were done by the approved dealers. The only difference between them was that some of the base cars were supplied without a road going interior - this saved the customer a little bit of money off the purchase price of the original car. I am by no means an expert but I have been told that there are quite a few Berlinettas floating around with Challenge badges that are not verified by Ferrari (I am not suggesting this is one). The first thing I'd be looking for is for authentication paperwork from Ferrari.

JazzyO

994 posts

50 months

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Tuesday 10th July 2012 quote quote all
The ad says "This particular left-hand drive F355 was manufactured in 1995 and is an original factory built Challenge car. This can be identified by the huge Brembo brakes, slate grey Speedline wheels, racing fuel system and interior indents designated for a roll cage. "

This seems to suggest to me that it was possible to order a Challenge without a roll cage. It certainly states that this was a factory-built Challenge car.

Shame the money for my sold Ferrari has not come in yet, this is really very nice as a trackday toy.


Onno

TISPKJ

1,194 posts

76 months

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Tuesday 10th July 2012 quote quote all
Lightningman said:
The Challenge kit for the Berlinetta was circa $30,000+ but this car seems to be missing the full cage and some of the more obvious bits. It is my undestanding that all Challenge cars started off as Berlinettas and that conversions were done by the approved dealers. The only difference between them was that some of the base cars were supplied without a road going interior - this saved the customer a little bit of money off the purchase price of the original car. I am by no means an expert but I have been told that there are quite a few Berlinettas floating around with Challenge badges that are not verified by Ferrari (I am not suggesting this is one). The first thing I'd be looking for is for authentication paperwork from Ferrari.
looking at the various cars presently for sale that would kind of make sense.

So you ordered a new 355, and then a Challenge upgrade kit, and I guess car could either be road registered or gutted as a race car dependent on intended use.

So could you order a 355 and just spec various bits at the factory like big brake kit etc ?

I know a pal of mine had a new 360 and specked it to have a cage, albeit leather covered as well as carbon seats etc.

Be interesting to know the story behind them and if any were in fact factory built ?

TISPKJ

1,194 posts

76 months

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Tuesday 10th July 2012 quote quote all
The below from wikipedia would seem correct, but did the factory do any ?


In 1995 Ferrari introduced a race ready F355 Challenge model for use specifically in the Ferrari Challenge.[3] The Ferrari F355 Challenge model is created by starting with a standard Ferrari F355 Berlinetta model and modifying it with a $30,000 factory-to-dealer supplied kit. The kit requires 110 hours to install, and includes the following components/modifications[4]:

Competition clutch
Competition steering wheel
Lightweight exhaust
Rollcage
Racing seats
Safety harnesses
Fire extinguisher
Engine cutoff switch
Carbon fiber rear wing
Upgraded 14" Brembo brakes
18" Speedline wheels
Pirelli racing slicks
Solid suspension bushings and competition springs
Rear brake cooling ducts
Challenge black rear grille
The F355 Challenge shares the same engine performance and physical dimension specifications as the original. 108 were produced, all with the 6-speed transmission. Each F355 Challenge has an emblem on the rear that specifically denotes 'F355 Challenge'.


TISPKJ

1,194 posts

76 months

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Tuesday 10th July 2012 quote quote all
An F355 Challenge racer is basically an F355 Berlinetta enhanced to withstand the rigors of competition. Except for a lightweight exhaust system and competition clutch, the midships-mounted 3.5-liter/375-horsepower DOHC five-valve-per-cylinder V-8 and transverse six-speed manual-transmission drivetrain remains unchanged.

The Ferrari-supplied kit that turns a regular F355 into a Challenge racer includes a full rollcage, safety harnesses, a single lightweight seat, competition steering wheel, fire suppression equipment, solid suspension bushings, rear brake cooling ducts, and a set of 14-inch diameter front and rear Brembo disc brakes, whose adoption requires the fitment of the included Speedline 18-inch wheels. Around those wheels fits a set of Pirelli series-specific racing slicks: 245/645-18 front and 305/645-18 rear (up from the 225/ 40ZR18 and 265/40ZR18 Pirelli P Zero radials fitted to the street car). Challenge competitor or not, every F355 owner will want the black mesh grate that replaces the body-color convex tailpiece between the street F355's taillights.

The conversion kit costs $30,000 beyond the $123,480 price of the F355 and takes 110 hours to install (at the $55-per-hour Ferrari of Houston shop rate). For $146,500, Ferrari will also import a street-configuration F355 stripped of its interior and with some Challenge equipment already in place. That reduces the installation time to only 60 hours.

Only Challenge kit components are allowed in the series; though competitors can choose between two sets of springs. With Ferrari dealers acting as the race teams, however, the cars remain pretty much equal. The result is close racing in very fast cars for relatively-very relatively-moderate cost. Running the six USA Challenge races will cost you about $225,000, including the price of a new F355 Challenge car, but not counting any damage you may incur. Although there's no prize money, Pirelli provides one set of tires for each race, and Shell covers fuel and oil.



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