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12gauge
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1,274 posts
44 months
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http://www.uefa.com/uefa/socialresponsibility/resp... Does anyone else find it a bit over the top, orwellian, and reminiscent of some kind of 1930s eugenics movement (well, actually even hitler didnt go so far as to carpet whole olympic stadiums in buzzwords like 'purity') I know the Ukraine is supposed to be the new nazi republic and must have the diversity agenda rammed down their throats, but still, Its a bit nauseating. Surely the point is it doesnt matter if youre a 'diverse' country like the US, or a 'pure' country like Japan, and yet one is so feverishly and over zealously marketed, its like the proponents of it are in need constant self assurance. I only mention it as they forced one of the poor sods playing football yesterday to read out some marketing speak which he seemed utterly bewildered by. Dont they understand people just want to watch football, not be bombarded with political propaganda. Its so ridiculous the stadiums look like some kind of set out of the film 'they live' 
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rohrl
3,927 posts
15 months
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Personally I can't get too steamed up about the football authories trying to get their players and fans to concentrate on the sport rather than racially abusing one another. In fact it seems like rather a good idea to me if it means black players don't have to put up with bananas being thrown at them and monkey chants from the stands.
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AshVX220
1,817 posts
60 months
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What makes me laugh when I see that sort of thing is the complete lack of respect that the players show the officials during matches.
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AshVX220
1,817 posts
60 months
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rohrl said: Personally I can't get too steamed up about the football authories trying to get their players and fans to concentrate on the sport rather than racially abusing one another. In fact it seems like rather a good idea to me if it means black players don't have to put up with bananas being thrown at them and monkey chants from the stands. I don't think the campaign is just about the racial aspects though is it?
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AndrewW-G
11,968 posts
87 months
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It's Oikball, the majority of people watching, seemingly struggle to read and write anyway, so the Orwellian message will simply zoom over their heads 
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Fittster
15,008 posts
83 months
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AshVX220 said: rohrl said: Personally I can't get too steamed up about the football authories trying to get their players and fans to concentrate on the sport rather than racially abusing one another. In fact it seems like rather a good idea to me if it means black players don't have to put up with bananas being thrown at them and monkey chants from the stands. I don't think the campaign is just about the racial aspects though is it? "Respect is the collective responsibility of everyone involved in football to create a fair, safe and enjoyable environment in which the game can take place."
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Marf
22,907 posts
111 months
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AshVX220 said: rohrl said: Personally I can't get too steamed up about the football authories trying to get their players and fans to concentrate on the sport rather than racially abusing one another. In fact it seems like rather a good idea to me if it means black players don't have to put up with bananas being thrown at them and monkey chants from the stands. I don't think the campaign is just about the racial aspects though is it? So trying to stamp out racism and the endemic tribalism in football is bad?
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Carfiend
3,186 posts
79 months
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iphonedyou
2,672 posts
27 months
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12gauge said: Does anyone else find it a bit over the top, orwellian, and reminiscent of some kind of 1930s eugenics movement (well, actually even hitler didnt go so far as to carpet whole olympic stadiums in buzzwords like 'purity') You're comparing adverts for respecting people of different races with a man who killed people of different races. Your analogy doesn't so much fall at the first hurdle as fail to turn up for the race.
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jayb289
119 posts
26 months
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so even a campaign about respect(not just racism) is a problem and needs a thread? have they erected a billboard outside your home, work and hangout spot with their respect sign? i hope i never reach that stage in life where i watch a football match and feel all the signs with the word respect is "spiel" and i need to go have a chat with my cyber buddies on ph about it.
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Use Psychology
9,918 posts
62 months
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as i said on a thread in the sports forum, if they were serious about respect and fair play (the two go hand in hand) they would make football self-refereeing to the highest level. i.e. the players call the fouls, throw ins, corners, goals, etc. any disagreement and the teams debate it until they agree.
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iphonedyou
2,672 posts
27 months
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jayb289 said: so even a campaign about respect(not just racism) is a problem and needs a thread? have they erected a billboard outside your home, work and hangout spot with their respect sign? i hope i never reach that stage in life where i watch a football match and feel all the signs with the word respect is "spiel" and i need to go have a chat with my cyber buddies on ph about it. I concur. This concept of being offended, or taking issue, with every little thing that just doesn't warrant a reaction is completely beyond me.
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Jasandjules
45,852 posts
99 months
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Surely they should be trying to promote this?
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12gauge
Original Poster
1,274 posts
44 months
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iphonedyou said: You're comparing adverts for respecting people of different races with a man who killed people of different races. Your analogy doesn't so much fall at the first hurdle as fail to turn up for the race. Im saying the propaganda methods are the same. The point is we're all equal individuals. To be saying diversity is better than homogeneity is better than diversity is exactly the same thing. Both are obsessing over something which no attention should be paid to. Hitlers propaganda started long before he started killing people. In a few years or decades time maybe the type of people who consider individual's 'not diverse enough' will kill them too. The thought process with the respect lot and the hitler lot is exactly the same.
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12gauge
Original Poster
1,274 posts
44 months
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iphonedyou said: I concur. This concept of being offended, or taking issue, with every little thing that just doesn't warrant a reaction is completely beyond me. Well if it helps I find most things govt does offensive. Seatbelts, helmets, smoking laws, most taxes etc.
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iphonedyou
2,672 posts
27 months
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12gauge said: Im saying the propaganda methods are the same.
The point is we're all equal individuals. To be saying diversity is better than homogeneity is better than diversity is exactly the same thing. Both are obsessing over something which no attention should be paid to. Hitlers propaganda started long before he started killing people. In a few years or decades time maybe the type of people who consider individual's 'not diverse enough' will kill them too.
The thought process with the respect lot and the hitler lot is exactly the same. The signs are there to promote respect and understanding; an area that, sadly, professional football scores rather lower than it should. That's all there is to it.
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Sheets Tabuer
12,144 posts
85 months
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Jasandjules said: Surely they should be trying to promote this? Indeed, I was full of disrespect until upon reading one of the signs I had an epiphany.
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iphonedyou
2,672 posts
27 months
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Sheets Tabuer said: Indeed, I was full of disrespect until upon reading one of the signs I had an epiphany. By that logic, no adverts which fail to convince you to buy a product should ever exist.
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XCP
10,587 posts
98 months
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I think the refs would get more respect if the first person to backchat or question a decision got a red card.
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Sheets Tabuer
12,144 posts
85 months
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Adverts tend to work when one is about to purchase a product, the intention is to make you aware of a brand and influence your decision to buy that brand.
I doubt a person with deep seated hatred would change their opinion of a race based on a sign at the side of a football pitch.
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