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Ady128
Original Poster
283 posts
12 months
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Am I wrong using supermarket regular unleaded in my new 991 or should I be using super unleaded, and if so, why?
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madala
4,908 posts
67 months
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....read your handbook...simples
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mollytherocker
6,897 posts
78 months
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You have spent 80k+ on a 911 and want to use Aldi fuel? Its nuts.
Use Shell V-Power only. Its 98 octane and will optimise your cars power/efficiency. There could be circa 20-30bhp difference.
Would you put bisto gravy on an aged fillet steak?
MTR
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BubblesNW
413 posts
52 months
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I personally only use Tesco's 99 octane Momentum. Would never use standard stuff as the power is dowm and so is the mpg aparently. Why use V Power at only 97?
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nxi20
349 posts
74 months
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BubblesNW said: Why use V Power at only 97? 97?? The VPower down my way says 99 Octane on it - shirley it's the same everywhere?
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BubblesNW
413 posts
52 months
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nxi20 said: 97?? The VPower down my way says 99 Octane on it - shirley it's the same everywhere? Don't call me Shirley. You are probably correct due to red grape fuzziness. However, V Power is usually more expensive than Tesco's finest. Up here in t' North I see all the companies tankers coming out of the same pipeline terminus. The only differences are the additives apparently.
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Durzel
1,511 posts
37 months
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V-Power is fine, as is Momentum. Haven't tried the BP stuff in some time (Ultimate?) but my previous car didn't like it.
As far as I understand it Porsches will run on unleaded but it's not recommended.
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cmoose
18,606 posts
98 months
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f  k me. A 991? I put high octane in my battered, £5k Box, ffs. Try to put V Power in when I can. It's the only bespoke high octane sold by the main petrol stations, as far as I am aware. Everything else comes from shared fuel depots, again as far as I am aware.
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cheddar
1,970 posts
43 months
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BubblesNW said: Don't call me Shirley.
You are probably correct due to red grape fuzziness. However, V Power is usually more expensive than Tesco's finest. Up here in t' North I see all the companies tankers coming out of the same pipeline terminus. The only differences are the additives apparently. Yes, but they make the difference.
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Klippie
221 posts
14 months
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What is the better fuel / oil is always a great debate personally I'am using Tesco's Ultimate in my Cayman S its been great so far surely it won't do any harm to a 991 engine will it.
Also I've been doing an experiment for the last few weeks running Ultimate v's normal unleaded in my bike and my second car a 1L Micra, the bike is going like sh*t of a shovel and the Micra is returning 5mpg more on Ultimate plus the pick-up on both is noticeably better running on the Tesco rocket fuel...very interesting results.
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rigster2
73 posts
15 months
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Just finishing my shift at a fuel Terminal.
For our engines to detect a higher octane fuel then use V Power when possible as it is the only fuel that is refined and delivered UK wide by the Company that is selling it (Shell)
Momentum 2nd as it is 99 octane.
As far as our handbooks say fuel needs to be 98 octane to adjust the ignition so using BP Ultimate or other "super" products will not have the desired effect.
Fuel is shared amongst the big players, supermarket fuel is exactly the same quality as the other "premium" brands. In fact it mostly comes out of the same tank.....
Bed time!
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J-P
2,488 posts
75 months
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Ady128 said: Am I wrong using supermarket regular unleaded in my new 991 or should I be using super unleaded, and if so, why? Yes - engine is designed to run on high octane fuel - so power and economy figures are based on that. Shell V-Power as others have stated is the stuff to use!
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nsm3
1,854 posts
65 months
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Your 991 will detect lower octane rated fuel via its "knock sensors" and retard the ignition to prevent or lessen pre-ignition. Result, slightly less power than the engine has been designed to produce. It won't harm your engine/car and once an octane rating similar to that recommended (98 for a 997?) is used, the system will advance the ignition accordingly. However, a common misconception is that higher octane rated fuel simply produces more power, which it does in an engine optimised to utilise its anti knock properties. As its calorific value is the same as lower octane fuel, there are no performance gains to be had from an engine not optimised to use it, like an old s  tter such as a Rover 400. Locally I can only get 97 RON fuel, but can't detect any difference to the odd time I have used 99 RON (saw a 100 RON pump in Germany last year).
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stewart rix
139 posts
86 months
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I had a chat to a BP techy whilst at Goodwood FoS last week (BP had a demo twin fuel tank BMW with endoscopes through the spark plug holes to show benefits of running on their higher octane Ultimate - 3 cylinders got the Ultimate and 3 got un-named regular fuel). He said that their Ultimate was usually 98 or 99 RON, but wasn't consistent enough so they state 97 RON as a minimum. WHAT!!!!! Can't get it consistent. That's a worry.
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iandews
748 posts
40 months
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What octane is the SUPER fuel at Sainsburys?
I always try to use Shell V-Power but since they sold out their local garages to BP, it has meant my closest is now a 30 mile round trip to a motorway service station which is even more expensive! Plus all the Shell garages I've been to of late have been incredibly battered and old and even getting fuel into the car was a challange; at one station it was clicking off every second (even upside down etc) that I gave up at £8 and told the cashier that didn't give a t0ss!
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MadMark911
1,358 posts
18 months
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mollytherocker said: You have spent 80k+ on a 911 and want to use Aldi fuel? Its nuts.
Use Shell V-Power only. Its 98 octane and will optimise your cars power/efficiency. There could be circa 20-30bhp difference.
Would you put bisto gravy on an aged fillet steak?
MTR Agree completely. Over time you can usually feel a slight difference, be it "urgency" or "smoothness" or what your trip computer is telling you in mpg. Tesco 99 or V Power are the only fuels I've put in my cars since Evo did a test a few years ago and the "performance" fuels showed such an improvement. My old Subaru used to run like a bag of nails on anything other than these!
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Porkupine
1,553 posts
34 months
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I find BP also to be fine...but when I go to my local tesco which is an esso petrol pump, I notice a difference (for the worse), BP and Shell premiums are best for me and Tesco 99 isn't too bad...(in a 996/7 turbo)
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Ady128
Original Poster
283 posts
12 months
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Thanks chaps. I would never have known until a fellow Porsche owner saw me putting normal fuel in. Fortunately I only put £30 in so when that's gone I'll have to find a Shell garage.
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mountainreef
89 posts
17 months
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Do you not get carbon build up on the 95 RON stuff? Or is that an urban myth? I use excellium (from Total) as they are the garages near me, then it's v-power. On a road trip last to Italy i used a 100 RON fuel from Tam Oil. Everything just felt 'better' (I know you can't quantify a feeling but..). i even thought the engine note sounded a bit fuller (again probably bulls  t). Esso fuel to me makes the engine on my Cayman S feel like it pulling more? The thing that has always confused me though is that Ultimate, Excellium, V-Power - they all say 97RON so is the engine being retarded? I've never put in Momentum since i used it in my JCW DD last year? It felt odd
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mrh1275
737 posts
71 months
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I use the Super 100 Super unleaded in my Spyder, i cannot get 98 only 100 grade in Prague..goes like a rocket !
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