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AndyBrew

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Took delivery of a new car yesterday and after 40 miles the engine management light came on, I was informed by the dealer that if the light was amber then the car was ok to drive and could I bring it in for them to take a look at. The 40 miles or so I have driven were done very gently even before the EML came on.

I have been informed that the fault is related to a 30p washer somewhere around the camshaft causing oil starvation (forgive me I have no idea about mechanical things) the dealer can obviously repair the car ad they are sourcing me an alternative during this period so have no complaints with them they have been superb.

Do you think that this could have caused any other mechanical issues/damage that otherwise would not have been there, would I be in my rights to reject this car, or am I worrying about nothing??

I feel I am worrying about nothing, but thought I'd ask the question to get the PH opinion.

Captain Muppet

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I'd reject it. If it's lost oil pressure there could be other damage, and I wouldn't trust a dealer to inspect an engine even if they were going to strip it and check, which they won't.

cuprabob

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As above, reject it, oil starvation is never a good thing

y2blade

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Reject it.

btw Brand new cars suck!!! You will enjoy about six months of silly little issues.

marcus85

152 posts

34 months

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the dealer will likely just put a new engine in it.
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The Crack Fox

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I'd reject it, you've zero idea how much damage may have been done, it's probably nothing but can you take the risk ? Murphy's law says the engine lets go the day after your warranty expires...

Hoygo

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What car is it?

AndyBrew

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Hoygo said:
What car is it?
BMW M3 E92

The Crack Fox

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AndyBrew said:
BMW M3 E92
If it's from BMW Sytner Leicester, I wouldn't trust 'em to put it right anway.

/experience


McHaggis

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I'd reject in writing, today.

y2blade

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AndyBrew said:
Hoygo said:
What car is it?
BMW M3 E92
Fantastic cars yes My friend had two of them (normal manual one when they first came out, then a semi-auto once the first Phase issues had been ironed out of the gearbox)

sounded awesome cool

Enjoy

AndyBrew

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The Crack Fox said:
If it's from BMW Sytner Leicester, I wouldn't trust 'em to put it right anway.

/experience
No it isn't I never made it past there pre-sales techniques LOL!

Locke

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69 months

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Reject it

angusfaldo

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I wouldn't reject it. I'd ask them to check and guarantee in writing that there's no internal damage (so you have comeback in the future) and leverage the inconvenience to gain yourself some free servicing, or accessories, or Hawaiian Tropic Girls, or all 3.

I'd also ask for an M6 to play with while they do the checking smile

McHaggis

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angusfaldo said:
I wouldn't reject it. I'd ask them to check and guarantee in writing that there's no internal damage (so you have comeback in the future) and leverage the inconvenience to gain yourself some free servicing, or accessories, or Hawaiian Tropic Girls, or all 3.

I'd also ask for an M6 to play with while they do the checking smile
No... Formally reject it. Accepting any form of repair or warranty weakens your position.

Reject it and see how far they then go to persuade you otherwise. You can then choose to accept the repaired car, or to maintain it as rejected.

doogz

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As said, will they bother actually inspecting it? Or will someone with half a clue say "Oil starvation? Just put a new engine in it. Probably cheaper and easier in the long run"

Actually, no, they won't. BMW rebuilt our MINI engine 3 times.

paulrussell

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I don't think you've got any grounds to reject the car. The dealer is sorting the problem, if the car has problems afterwards then you can reject the car.

AndyBrew

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paulrussell said:
I don't think you've got any grounds to reject the car. The dealer is sorting the problem, if the car has problems afterwards then you can reject the car.
yes this is my feeling to if I'm honest, the car has a three year warranty I guess, my only concern is this is the beginning of many problems, but time will tell.

It's not quite the ownership experience I was hoping for, 18 months behind the wheel of my GT-R and it never missed a beat, ever frown

AJB

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Captain Muppet said:
I'd reject it. If it's lost oil pressure there could be other damage, and I wouldn't trust a dealer to inspect an engine even if they were going to strip it and check, which they won't.
If it had lost oil pressure then the warning light would be red, not amber. And I can't see a washer anywhere near the camshaft causing it to lose oil pressure to the whole engine. I'd have thought it was more likely a problem with variable valve timing or something, in which case certainly no grounds to reject the car.

It's hard to know without knowing details of the fault, and no harm asking what they've had to replace/disturb, but I don't think there's a lot you can do. Hopefully it's nothing too major!

angusfaldo

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McHaggis said:
No... Formally reject it. Accepting any form of repair or warranty weakens your position.
Reject it because it has a fault that the garage will fix? Surely the garage has a right to try to remedy the situation first?





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