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SonicHedgeHog
Original Poster
988 posts
52 months
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Just a thought. The first few years depreciation can be very painful, but many buyers are prepared to accept it in return for a brand new car with minimal servicing and maintenance costs. In contrast many used buyers avoid the worst of the depreciation, but seem to get hit hard on occasion by big failures. Has anyone actually compared the overall costs of the two options? Specifically I was wondering if, say, £20k depreciation over 3 years on a £40k Boxster where everything is covered by the warranty is actually not that bad value when someone buying in the same car from a dealer in 3 years time will probably pay £25k and lose £10k, plus will probably need to start replacing expensive bits and bobs? New will always cost more than used, but is the reality closer than we think?
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cmoose
18,905 posts
99 months
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Well, the worst possible combo is obviously a fairly new but out of warranty example. So plenty of depreciation still to come and you're liable for any faults.
More interesting comparison for me is, perhaps, a nice 993 for £25k which ought to be largely depreciation proof if you don't put epic miles on it...
£20k in depreciation would be one hell of a war chest over three years to keep it in fine fettle.
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btcc123
94 posts
17 months
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If you bought a new Boxster for 40k and sold it after 3 years for 20k you would lose 20k
If you bought a 3 year old Boxster for 20k and after 3 years you sold it for 10k it would only cost you half as much.
Thats the principal however there are other factors like the feeling of buying a new car and maintenane free aspect,buying second hand will it be trouble free etc.
At the end of the day if you are reasonably well off you would probably buy new and if you didnt have the money you could only take the secondhand option.
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nickfrog
2,238 posts
87 months
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Or maybe you're reasonably well off because you take the secondhand option.
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BertBert
7,196 posts
81 months
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what about buying a 9 year old boxster for 8.5k?
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mollytherocker
7,215 posts
79 months
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Its the classic buyers conundrum isnt it.
Its the same as the 'dealer with warranty vs private for 15% less' argument. There is no straight answer. It depends on;
Your financial status Your capability in appraising a car The type of car The reliability/quality of the specific model The intended use The length of ownership proposed Your attitude towards risk How easy you want the purchase/ownership to be How willing you are to do your research and due diligence
There can be no right answer. But it will be argued on here until the end of time.
MTR
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Solarized
149 posts
11 months
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IMHO buying a good second hand example is much better value as you can have 90% of the pleasure that the person who bought new had for approx 30% of the outlay depending of course on the age and mileage etc of the car.
Plus when it's time to move it on in 2-3 years or whatever you should see a large chunk of your money back if you've looked after it properly. This money can then go to your next car and so on. Each to their own though. Some folk just want a brand new car.
If you buy and sell wisely you needn't lose your shirt on depreciation which is usually the biggest cost with cars.
Of course older cars typically require more maintenance than a newer model which may cancel out the equation. New and old cars still break down though so luck plays a part in all of this.
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Welshbeef
13,180 posts
68 months
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The other key thing to help negate or reduce annual depreciation is duration you keep the car. Say you buy at 3yo sell at 7 years old - id say that's the sweetest ownership period as really nothing should go wrong very generally buy by 7+ years certain things will need to be done.
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SonicHedgeHog
Original Poster
988 posts
52 months
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Some good comments, thanks. A 993 is a head-scratcher. Low mileage C2S and C4S all seem to be in the hands of dealers demanding big money while the more mainstream models in private hands often have big miles or very quickly would have big miles if they were a daily driver. Perhaps a 996 turbo is the way to go although it would be essential to find a car that has had loads of money spent on it as radiators and turbos in particular seem to wear out fairly quickly.
I guess I wasn't thinking of used cars of that age. More the 2-3 year old trade ins that will still have some depreciating left to do. As someone said it is a personal decision that everyone will look at differently.
Cheers
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OggyDJ
346 posts
12 months
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SonicHedgeHog said: as radiators and turbos in particular seem to wear out fairly quickly. Please stop with the dodgy Turbo rumor  Radiators are prone to stone damage & corrosion over time, that seems to be well publicised. But to best of my knowledge, only common issue with the Turbos seems to be sticking VTG mechanism which early 997 Turbos suffered from (and fixed under recall). Of course, this doesn't affect 996 TTs 
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phib
2,529 posts
129 months
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Having had 9 911's including 5 new ones, 3 993's and a 2.7rs, the ones that gave me the best ownership experience were the 993's.
Ultimately they haven't cost much to own in the 11 or so years only due to the profit on the 2.7rs which off set the loss on the 2 996's and 2 997 cabs.
However maybe I am just tight !! But there is a lot to be said for depreciation free motoring I.e 993's
The only one I would buy again
Phib
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mollytherocker
7,215 posts
79 months
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phib said: Having had 9 911's including 5 new ones, 3 993's and a 2.7rs, the ones that gave me the best ownership experience were the 993's.
Ultimately they haven't cost much to own in the 11 or so years only due to the profit on the 2.7rs which off set the loss on the 2 996's and 2 997 cabs.
However maybe I am just tight !! But there is a lot to be said for depreciation free motoring I.e 993's
The only one I would buy again
Phib Phib, you have had some nice motors there! What was it about the 993's that gave you the best 'experience'? Surely, not just the dep free motoring! MTR
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btcc123
94 posts
17 months
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You can own nice cars with out costing you alot of money and I hate depreciation on cars.The following are the 4 cars in our household.
2003 Porsche 996 C2.A mate of mine told me a friend of his was selling his Porsche 996,he had it from new and had full OPC history and had just bought a new Audi R8.I went around to the chaps house and I asked him how much he wanted for the car and was £26,000.After some easy haggling I bought the car for £20,400,he put a years MOT on the car and I paid the tax.This was 4 years ago and the car is probably worth about £16,000 now so depreciation of just over £1,000 a year and the car gives me 90% of the enjoymentas if I had a new £80,000 Porsche.
8 years ago I bought a Jensen Interceptor for £8,000 from a chap in Ireland and bought it unseen which I would not normally recommend.Insurance £75 per year and probably spent £2,000 on it in the 8 years.I do not use the car very much,mainly take it to shows.There are 2 menbers of the JOC that have said that anytime I want to sell the car they will give me £16,000
My wife has a 2007 Ford S Max Titanium 2.0 diesel that had a list price of £24,000 and I bought the car from a nice man in Cheltenham for £12,800 when the car was 16 months old.Yhe car was immaculate and looked like a new,The car is probably worth £10,000 now.
Bought my daughter a Toyota Yaris for her 17th Birthday and went to Birmingham 100 miles away to buy it as it was £1,000 cheaper than the ones in Cardiff.
As you can see I am careful with my money although my wife thinks im a tight git.
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mollytherocker
7,215 posts
79 months
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btcc123 said: As you can see I am careful with my money although my wife thinks im a tight git. You are a tight git!!!! As am I. I bought a 12 month old £21k loaded Laguna for £9.5k. Its my daily and I have become a bit attached to it. I cant believe how reliable its been! And its French and everything!!! MTR
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phib
2,529 posts
129 months
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mollytherocker said: Phib, you have had some nice motors there! What was it about the 993's that gave you the best 'experience'? Surely, not just the dep free motoring!
MTR The 993's really felt like a Porsche should, I remember having my first one and taking about 3 months to learn how to drive it properly, it was the most challenging and rewarding to drive by far. The 997's and 996's really felt just like normal cars, in fact I only kept both 997's for about 4/5 months each as I got bored. Phib
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stuckmojo
957 posts
58 months
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It depends how "old" you're prepared to go, and which car in particular you'd like.
I bought the most basic C2 996 I could find (less to go wrong, in mi view the "purest" to drive) at the cheapest price, with the view of spending money on it straight away to bring it up to a great standard.
So far (3 months in) I've spent....
- 18£ Bosch windscreen wipers - 15£ 1kg of Mobil 1 (just in case, used 250gr of oil in 3,000 miles).
I am going to do IMS/RMS/some suspension stuff for about a grand before autumn.
At this price point (well below 9k to purchase) depreciation doesn't really bother me that much. Imagine what happens to the mug buying a new Citroen diesel.
So here you go.
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Helicopter123
1,081 posts
26 months
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Much will depend on what role the car is to play in your life.
If it's your sole car, your daily drive, then how realistic is a 15 year old 993?
Then again, if it's a weekend toy, then a 993 looks a sound bet.
Same with the GT cars to an extent once they get on a bit in years.
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phib
2,529 posts
129 months
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Helicopter123 said: Much will depend on what role the car is to play in your life.
If it's your sole car, your daily drive, then how realistic is a 15 year old 993?
Then again, if it's a weekend toy, then a 993 looks a sound bet.
Same with the GT cars to an extent once they get on a bit in years. Interesting if I only did say 12k a year the 993 probably would be my daily driver choice, unfortunately stuck doing 35-40k per year at present and the only answer to that is a 730d sport. Did it originally in a 997, then range rover both of which drove me mad but were great in their own right. Phib
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