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dasherdiablo1
Original Poster
1,024 posts
90 months
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I've seen a couple of nice Cayenne 3.6's and 4.8 S's at an OPC and it looks like they would make a good interim car to fit our new baby (due in a month) and dogs and surfboards and baby bits n bobs and etc......I'm sure you get my drift!
So to the owner-parents out there are they suitable? Is there much difference between the 3.6 and S in the real world? Both will be under OPC warranty and just had a service/new tyres so the main running cost is fuel and insurance? Realistically on a good run on the motorway is 24mpg achieveable? I'm happy for around town to be 15mpg as it won't be in town very often.
Next question - the cars are both areound £25-26k bracket but the dealers I have spoken to have indicated offering £500 off the screen price which considering the market seems a little tight. What kind of discount would people expect nowadays???
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DH01
373 posts
37 months
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You'll need new tyres fairly soon if you use the car, 8/10,000 miles max, allow almost £1,000pa for that. Mine's an older one 4.5S, 22/24 on the motorway driving like a Granny, 20 mpg at a fast pace, 15 around town. Mine shows 17.8 mpg overall on 90,000 miles.
Supremely comfortable with air suspension and surprisingly sporting if you want to throw your passengers against the side windows !
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essexboi
32 posts
32 months
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DH01 said: You'll need new tyres fairly soon if you use the car, 8/10,000 miles max, allow almost £1,000pa for that. Mine's an older one 4.5S, 22/24 on the motorway driving like a Granny, 20 mpg at a fast pace, 15 around town. Mine shows 17.8 mpg overall on 90,000 miles.
Supremely comfortable with air suspension and surprisingly sporting if you want to throw your passengers against the side windows ! I have a 3.2 V6 - have owned for 2 years, had new tyres when purchased and with mixed driving they are still well within the legal limit - this is with mixed, every other day driving (c10000 miles in this time). Not sure I agree that 8/10000 miles max and 1k per year is nec representative for all........IMHO
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jackal
9,765 posts
151 months
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X4 hankook ventus for 20" rims, £652
16.3mpg mixed driving over 11k miles
24mpg is ime cloud cuckoo ... Even if you cruise control it at 61.1mph for the whole journey
RE: the market, i would be offfering 3-5k under, if they dont play ball thn go elsewhere .... There are mo shortage of used cayennes, no one wants one, you cant give them away and its a total buyers market. When i bought mine i paid trade cos no one would touch it with a bargepole.
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dasherdiablo1
Original Poster
1,024 posts
90 months
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jackal said: RE: the market, i would be offfering 3-5k under, if they dont play ball thn go elsewhere .... There are mo shortage of used cayennes,
This was my thinking but I got the usual schpiel about what they paid for it, what they had spent on it etc...
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jackal
9,765 posts
151 months
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dasherdiablo1 said: jackal said: RE: the market, i would be offfering 3-5k under, if they dont play ball thn go elsewhere .... There are mo shortage of used cayennes,
This was my thinking but I got the usual schpiel about what they paid for it, what they had spent on it etc... Just buy one privately. You only need to look on ebays completed listings to know that if you have a cayenne and try and sell it privately, it just won't sell, not even after like 12 months or so. The one problem with the cayenne is howvere cheap you think you are getting the car, when you come to get rid or it in 1 or 2 years time it will literally be worth 50p and a conker. If this bothers you then damage limitation when you purchase is a must. I paid trade price for mine almost a year ago but I bet i've still lost 4k or so which is a lot for a car that seemed like it had bottomed. That would have been 8k had I paid dealer prices. What year are these 25k cars if you don't mind me asking ?
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jonny996
865 posts
86 months
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youe wife & new baby may be a disapointed with the hard ride if it has 20" rimes and no air suspension.
I have V6 and just returned from a 3000 mile trip @ 26.2 MPG.
Great family cars, mine love it.
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jackal
9,765 posts
151 months
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dasherdiablo1
Original Poster
1,024 posts
90 months
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Cars I am looking at are facelifts (2007/8). However judging by the comments it sounds like it would be throwing money in a hole as far as resale goes. I've done this with cars in the past - a 996 in particular which cost me about 25k in 18 months.
It was worth asking the question so thanks but I won't bother with one of these now!
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jonny996
865 posts
86 months
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Dont run to fast the DERV ones are holding there money well, see if you can source one of those
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jackal
9,765 posts
151 months
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dasherdiablo1 said: Cars I am looking at are facelifts (2007/8). However judging by the comments it sounds like it would be throwing money in a hole as far as resale goes. I've done this with cars in the past - a 996 in particular which cost me about 25k in 18 months.
It was worth asking the question so thanks but I won't bother with one of these now! Thats why they make so much sense at ~10k. A LOT of car and not so much money you can lose. The experience you get from a 10k example will be almost the same as one you get from a 25k one.
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mudy
410 posts
41 months
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Are they very expensive to run in terms of things going wrong?
If I were to buy at 10k older one could a non-Porsche indie work on it or are too specialised?
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uktrailmonster
4,406 posts
69 months
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Why not just buy an older one for peanuts? If it's for ferrying babies and dogs around then what's the point of it being newer and shiny? They are as ugly as sin anyway, so a facelift is about as effective as it would be on Jackie Stallone.
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thegoose
6,599 posts
79 months
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jackal said: RE: the market, i would be offfering 3-5k under, if they dont play ball thn go elsewhere .... How on earth can there be any logic to that if you don't know the cars/prices?! It really annoys me when someone says you should get X off a car for no justified reason whatsoever. A car could be under-priced in the market and some people on here would still tell you to only buy it if you could get £X,000 off, whereas in reality the smart buyer realises if he's not quick about it then he'll miss it at the asking price. I'm not saying some cars aren't over-priced but unless you have more information how would you know???
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bigee
541 posts
107 months
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uktrailmonster said: Why not just buy an older one for peanuts? If it's for ferrying babies and dogs around then what's the point of it being newer and shiny? They are as ugly as sin anyway, so a facelift is about as effective as it would be on Jackie Stallone. LOL !! I own one,but i cant disagree with this!
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jackal
9,765 posts
151 months
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thegoose said: How on earth can there be any logic to that if you don't know the cars/prices?! It really annoys me when someone says you should get X off a car for no justified reason whatsoever. A car could be under-priced in the market and some people on here would still tell you to only buy it if you could get £X,000 off, whereas in reality the smart buyer realises if he's not quick about it then he'll miss it at the asking price.
I'm not saying some cars aren't over-priced but unless you have more information how would you know??? Because unless the dealer is mentally backward he'll have an enormous safety cushion built into something like a big costly to run v8 SUV. After the car has been sitting there for 4 months he might be more than happy to make a sale. Sure it wont work for all cars but it certainly worked for me. I got 2.5k off my cayenne and it was up for half the price of the ones OP is considering.
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EvoSlayer
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54 months
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Webber3
1,060 posts
88 months
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The prices bombed in 2009 too, that's when I bought mine. 2 years later, the same OPC was selling the same model year vehicles with more miles for the same price I bought mine at. It could be a good time to buy.
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thegoose
6,599 posts
79 months
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jackal said: thegoose said: How on earth can there be any logic to that if you don't know the cars/prices?! It really annoys me when someone says you should get X off a car for no justified reason whatsoever. A car could be under-priced in the market and some people on here would still tell you to only buy it if you could get £X,000 off, whereas in reality the smart buyer realises if he's not quick about it then he'll miss it at the asking price.
I'm not saying some cars aren't over-priced but unless you have more information how would you know??? Because unless the dealer is mentally backward he'll have an enormous safety cushion built into something like a big costly to run v8 SUV. After the car has been sitting there for 4 months he might be more than happy to make a sale. Sure it wont work for all cars but it certainly worked for me. I got 2.5k off my cayenne and it was up for half the price of the ones OP is considering. You're making massive assumptions there. What if your car had been advertised for £3k less than it was, what would you have done? Not bought it because you believed that a discount should be had, regardless of how the value compared in the market? As ever with a purchase - it's not where you start, it's where you finish. If that's the same place it's nothing to worry about. In your example above a dealer could indeed encourage much fewer enquiries by over-pricing his car but allowing "an enormous safety cushion" or he could take the approach that it's better to price it competitively/agressively in order to achieve a sale at the asking price quickly (thus avoiding having the car sat there for ages) - I can't see why you'd think that approach as "mentally backwards" - seems a bit of a harsh and sweeping statement to me.
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dasherdiablo1
Original Poster
1,024 posts
90 months
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Just to clarify; both cars have been sitting at OPC's for about 3 months- if they haven't sold in that time at that price then they will never sell. They are a depreciating asset and any sensible sealer would know that it makes good business sense to sell quickly with a set minimal profit to minimise the risk of initial outlay. How many times did we see it in 2008 that dealers paid over the odds for top end cars and wouldn't sell them on at a minimal loss. There ended up with a few scenarios; they kept the car for 18months and sold it for what they paid for it which tied up money for a long time or they sold it at minimal loss and reinvested the money in the right stock which made money or they held off for a while and then made a huge loss because the market that particular stock never returned! Sometimes it makes sense to sell at a loss in order to free up capital/ loan money to reinvest in opportunities that will make money; it is what is know as a fluid market!
It Is all immaterial now as it would obviously be stupid to buy one of these which will only result in huge depreciation.
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