right then, 430 or dbs??
Discussion
as some of you will already know, i've recently come out of a 430 and regret my decision badly.i was toying with the idea of a scud but honestly cannot justify spending over 100k on a car that is only going to be a toy for playtime as the rangey takes on all the day to day trudgery............
............so, looking around that price bracket i find myself pondering a possible return to an aston(had 2 before)in the form of a dbs.always loved the look of them but never test piloted one. i find myself overlooking the v12v because no matter how good it is it will feel like i'm climbing back into my old v8v.....
....and this is the reason i'm considering a dbs over another 430....it's a sort of been there/done that type of thing in my mind.the problem being that my 430 was head and shoulders above anything else i've ever had.
any other suggestions i might have overlooked??
............so, looking around that price bracket i find myself pondering a possible return to an aston(had 2 before)in the form of a dbs.always loved the look of them but never test piloted one. i find myself overlooking the v12v because no matter how good it is it will feel like i'm climbing back into my old v8v.....
....and this is the reason i'm considering a dbs over another 430....it's a sort of been there/done that type of thing in my mind.the problem being that my 430 was head and shoulders above anything else i've ever had.
any other suggestions i might have overlooked??
I think I have posted about DBS over a V12V on the Aston forum (can't remember who was asking the question) but my advice was that DBS felt to me a better bet than a V12V, which is a hotly debated topic among Aston owners.
The DBS seems like a proper Aston in the old school sense - beauty, brawn, a real gentleman hardcase! The V12V seems to be Aston trying to compete with Ferrari and Porsche and be something it isn't (well, maybe).
Since then, I have sold my DBS. It happened quite quickly but it had been building up gradually since last October when I bought a 430 Spider, to which I have since added Capristo manifolds. Almost every time I went to the garage I chose the keys to the 430 and I can't fully explain why. The DBS ticks all the 'head' boxes and in many ways is the dream car.
I think the answer is that the 430 is closer to the DBS (in that it is still a GT, albeit a very sporting one) than I expected but it combines this with a mid-engined responsiveness in the handling and I have to admit I prefer it. So the DBS has gone and a 360 CS is coming in its place! The DBS was too expensive a toy to be ignoring in the garage, whereas the CS is what the 430 isn't - a raw driving experience that is great for the odd occasion and won't cost much in depreciation sitting in the garage.
There's no doubt, if you need to have an Aston the DBS just fits the bill perfectly. However, no matter how well this was resolved in my head, the 430 is brilliant and so is the 360 CS.
Getting rid of the DBS was not a popular move with my daughters and wife though...
The DBS seems like a proper Aston in the old school sense - beauty, brawn, a real gentleman hardcase! The V12V seems to be Aston trying to compete with Ferrari and Porsche and be something it isn't (well, maybe).
Since then, I have sold my DBS. It happened quite quickly but it had been building up gradually since last October when I bought a 430 Spider, to which I have since added Capristo manifolds. Almost every time I went to the garage I chose the keys to the 430 and I can't fully explain why. The DBS ticks all the 'head' boxes and in many ways is the dream car.
I think the answer is that the 430 is closer to the DBS (in that it is still a GT, albeit a very sporting one) than I expected but it combines this with a mid-engined responsiveness in the handling and I have to admit I prefer it. So the DBS has gone and a 360 CS is coming in its place! The DBS was too expensive a toy to be ignoring in the garage, whereas the CS is what the 430 isn't - a raw driving experience that is great for the odd occasion and won't cost much in depreciation sitting in the garage.
There's no doubt, if you need to have an Aston the DBS just fits the bill perfectly. However, no matter how well this was resolved in my head, the 430 is brilliant and so is the 360 CS.
Getting rid of the DBS was not a popular move with my daughters and wife though...
DBS is a fantastic looking car with a great engine but its more a GT cruiser than a sharp handling sportscar so it depends what you prefer and will use it for.
Its a cracking car and good value but for me it doesn't give the same sense of occassion or driving excitement that the F430 does. If you had a coupe before I can highly recommend going down the spider route for a different experience
My F430 is a 3rd car used on sunny weekends but even though thats all I use it for I can't see the real added benefit of having a Scuderia or CS.
The only time I can see a benefit of these 2 models is if you want to do some track driving otherwise the performance/handling advantages are so minimal for my driving capabilities on a public road.
Im in the process of adding a complete capiristo exhaust, manifolds and cat system for £9,000 which will add power, sound and be lighter giving me the best of both worlds at the fraction of the cost of getting a 16M
Its a cracking car and good value but for me it doesn't give the same sense of occassion or driving excitement that the F430 does. If you had a coupe before I can highly recommend going down the spider route for a different experience
My F430 is a 3rd car used on sunny weekends but even though thats all I use it for I can't see the real added benefit of having a Scuderia or CS.
The only time I can see a benefit of these 2 models is if you want to do some track driving otherwise the performance/handling advantages are so minimal for my driving capabilities on a public road.
Im in the process of adding a complete capiristo exhaust, manifolds and cat system for £9,000 which will add power, sound and be lighter giving me the best of both worlds at the fraction of the cost of getting a 16M
[quote=GRBF430F1]DBS is a fantastic looking car with a great engine but its more a GT cruiser than a sharp handling sportscar so it depends what you prefer and will use it for.
Its a cracking car and good value but for me it doesn't give the same sense of occassion or driving excitement that the F430 does. If you had a coupe before I can highly recommend going down the spider route for a different experience
My F430 is a 3rd car used on sunny weekends but even though thats all I use it for I can't see the real added benefit of having a Scuderia or CS.
The only time I can see a benefit of these 2 models is if you want to do some track driving otherwise the performance/handling advantages are so minimal for my driving capabilities on a public road.
I felt this way selling my 430 and thinking I was going mad spending the thick end of a 100k on a CS. But I will say it was worth every penny, I've not driven a scud yet but if it's anything like the CS I will say these cars are very different from their relative models. Rawer, sharper more focused and great fun to drive.
Worth the extra if you ask me and also strong on residual so win win as far as I can see.
Its a cracking car and good value but for me it doesn't give the same sense of occassion or driving excitement that the F430 does. If you had a coupe before I can highly recommend going down the spider route for a different experience
My F430 is a 3rd car used on sunny weekends but even though thats all I use it for I can't see the real added benefit of having a Scuderia or CS.
The only time I can see a benefit of these 2 models is if you want to do some track driving otherwise the performance/handling advantages are so minimal for my driving capabilities on a public road.
I felt this way selling my 430 and thinking I was going mad spending the thick end of a 100k on a CS. But I will say it was worth every penny, I've not driven a scud yet but if it's anything like the CS I will say these cars are very different from their relative models. Rawer, sharper more focused and great fun to drive.
Worth the extra if you ask me and also strong on residual so win win as far as I can see.
I know the stripped out limited editions have appeal and in particular the CS has a cult following and therefore the residuals are very strong but at the time I could not bring myself to pay more for a 360 CS than a F430.
I knew the F430 would lose more money but thats wasn't a major concern. I'd rather have the later model than a 360 CS that very few people would know was any different than a standard 360. Its great for a manufacturer but personally I see it as paying more for less.
I can get all the noise and power benefits from the capristo upgrade, the handling benefits from lowering and a decent geo set up and still have the creature comforts of radio and carpet etc for less than £10k
Its not as hardcore as the Scud or CS but it is raw enough and keeps the girl freind happy to boot.
Maybe its me and the women I attract but they seem to think I'm a K**b if I turn up with a car with harnesses and rollbars and it scares them to death.
Now if I wanted a track car it would be a totally different story and I think the CS makes great sense but then again I'd rather pay £20k more and have a scud.
We are all different and its whatever floats your boat and either way they are ALL GREAT cars
I knew the F430 would lose more money but thats wasn't a major concern. I'd rather have the later model than a 360 CS that very few people would know was any different than a standard 360. Its great for a manufacturer but personally I see it as paying more for less.
I can get all the noise and power benefits from the capristo upgrade, the handling benefits from lowering and a decent geo set up and still have the creature comforts of radio and carpet etc for less than £10k
Its not as hardcore as the Scud or CS but it is raw enough and keeps the girl freind happy to boot.
Maybe its me and the women I attract but they seem to think I'm a K**b if I turn up with a car with harnesses and rollbars and it scares them to death.
Now if I wanted a track car it would be a totally different story and I think the CS makes great sense but then again I'd rather pay £20k more and have a scud.
We are all different and its whatever floats your boat and either way they are ALL GREAT cars
GRBF430F1 said:
I know the stripped out limited editions have appeal and in particular the CS has a cult following and therefore the residuals are very strong but at the time I could not bring myself to pay more for a 360 CS than a F430.
I knew the F430 would lose more money but thats wasn't a major concern. I'd rather have the later model than a 360 CS that very few people would know was any different than a standard 360. Its great for a manufacturer but personally I see it as paying more for less.
I can get all the noise and power benefits from the capristo upgrade, the handling benefits from lowering and a decent geo set up and still have the creature comforts of radio and carpet etc for less than £10k
Its not as hardcore as the Scud or CS but it is raw enough and keeps the girl freind happy to boot.
Maybe its me and the women I attract but they seem to think I'm a K**b if I turn up with a car with harnesses and rollbars and it scares them to death.
Now if I wanted a track car it would be a totally different story and I think the CS makes great sense but then again I'd rather pay £20k more and have a scud.
Damm tough choice.
We are all different and its whatever floats your boat and either way they are ALL GREAT cars
Good post.I knew the F430 would lose more money but thats wasn't a major concern. I'd rather have the later model than a 360 CS that very few people would know was any different than a standard 360. Its great for a manufacturer but personally I see it as paying more for less.
I can get all the noise and power benefits from the capristo upgrade, the handling benefits from lowering and a decent geo set up and still have the creature comforts of radio and carpet etc for less than £10k
Its not as hardcore as the Scud or CS but it is raw enough and keeps the girl freind happy to boot.
Maybe its me and the women I attract but they seem to think I'm a K**b if I turn up with a car with harnesses and rollbars and it scares them to death.
Now if I wanted a track car it would be a totally different story and I think the CS makes great sense but then again I'd rather pay £20k more and have a scud.
Damm tough choice.
We are all different and its whatever floats your boat and either way they are ALL GREAT cars
A CS has the looks, the collectability, the iconic halo and of course the residuals. BUT, when all is said and done the F430 is more modern, especially that engine.
For the keen driver, a lightly modded manual F430 with ceramics and carbon seats, a -20mm/-30mm ride height reduction, scuderia springs, BBS wheels, capristo, rear scud ARB, scud damper software and Scud geo makes a very very compelling and cost effective case.
"[For the keen driver, a lightly modded manual F430 with ceramics and carbon seats, a -20mm/-30mm ride height reduction, scuderia springs, BBS wheels, capristo, rear scud ARB, scud damper software and Scud geo makes a very very compelling and cost effective case.]"
This is kind of where I am going.
All sympathetically done to the highest quality but a damn site cheaper than buying a 16M. Ok I won't necesaarily get all my money back if I sold it on or have the strong residual of a 16M limited edition but its a car that will be mine and tailored to my individual taste.
Done correctly I'm sure it would always appear to someone out there
This is kind of where I am going.
All sympathetically done to the highest quality but a damn site cheaper than buying a 16M. Ok I won't necesaarily get all my money back if I sold it on or have the strong residual of a 16M limited edition but its a car that will be mine and tailored to my individual taste.
Done correctly I'm sure it would always appear to someone out there
Was very close to buying a 430 but went for a gallardo Spyder,then changed to a DBS,the DBS is much more of a gt car the 430 is a sports car.
Ferrari sharper handling but both equally thrilling ,I mean 520 bhp ,manual box ,rwd....how can that not be thrilling?
As always at this level you can't really go wrong,try and see which you prefer.i never thought I would buy a DBS but after driving one it was a must have.
Ferrari sharper handling but both equally thrilling ,I mean 520 bhp ,manual box ,rwd....how can that not be thrilling?
As always at this level you can't really go wrong,try and see which you prefer.i never thought I would buy a DBS but after driving one it was a must have.
I looked at a few different options in this spring to replace a 430, plus thought back to previous drives. I found the DBS too heavy, R8 V10 lacked soul, Cali too high and the CS overpriced. The scud was the closest to the next step up but just couldn’t justify the extra, in the end I gave up. Decided to stick with the 430 as it’s such a great car, it will tootle to Tesco or go ballistic on B roads.
Ironically an opportunity to go back in time for a change came up and have just put the 430 up for sale, we’ll see next year if we’re in the same position regretting letting go of a great car?
Ironically an opportunity to go back in time for a change came up and have just put the 430 up for sale, we’ll see next year if we’re in the same position regretting letting go of a great car?
RevHappy said:
I looked at a few different options in this spring to replace a 430, plus thought back to previous drives. I found the DBS too heavy, R8 V10 lacked soul, Cali too high and the CS overpriced. The scud was the closest to the next step up but just couldn’t justify the extra, in the end I gave up. Decided to stick with the 430 as it’s such a great car, it will tootle to Tesco or go ballistic on B roads.
Ironically an opportunity to go back in time for a change came up and have just put the 430 up for sale, we’ll see next year if we’re in the same position regretting letting go of a great car?
458?Ironically an opportunity to go back in time for a change came up and have just put the 430 up for sale, we’ll see next year if we’re in the same position regretting letting go of a great car?
Stryke said:
RevHappy said:
I looked at a few different options in this spring to replace a 430, plus thought back to previous drives. I found the DBS too heavy, R8 V10 lacked soul, Cali too high and the CS overpriced. The scud was the closest to the next step up but just couldn’t justify the extra, in the end I gave up. Decided to stick with the 430 as it’s such a great car, it will tootle to Tesco or go ballistic on B roads.
Ironically an opportunity to go back in time for a change came up and have just put the 430 up for sale, we’ll see next year if we’re in the same position regretting letting go of a great car?
458?Ironically an opportunity to go back in time for a change came up and have just put the 430 up for sale, we’ll see next year if we’re in the same position regretting letting go of a great car?
Going back to my childhood
I ran a Maser GTS and an F430 spider together for two years a perfect match,both semi auto, however I now run a Aston N420 roadster ( best Sounding Aston by far) and an F355 GTS , with decatted Capristio ( sounds even better than the Aston)both manuals cost for both motors £140k Italians were £230k , depreciation never a good subject but all part if ownership, Aston and Masser shed 40% in first year, F430 only 15% , 355 up a few grand, so what do I learn from all this , give me a loud ,engaging , stimulating manual.The range rover can do the rest.
some cracking responses there chaps thanks a lot.
so.........seems limited run manuals are the way to go.well, my 430 was a manual and i wouldn't have it any other way to be honest.
residuals are not far from my mind as i've had some toe curling experiences in the past(with aston actually); so the 430 tops out again there then.
looks like i'll be back in a donkey before too long then!
so.........seems limited run manuals are the way to go.well, my 430 was a manual and i wouldn't have it any other way to be honest.
residuals are not far from my mind as i've had some toe curling experiences in the past(with aston actually); so the 430 tops out again there then.
looks like i'll be back in a donkey before too long then!
tuscaneer said:
some cracking responses there chaps thanks a lot.
so.........seems limited run manuals are the way to go.well, my 430 was a manual and i wouldn't have it any other way to be honest.
residuals are not far from my mind as i've had some toe curling experiences in the past(with aston actually); so the 430 tops out again there then.
looks like i'll be back in a donkey before too long then!
Don't dismiss the the F1, it takes a bit of time to fully get into it but once dialled in it can really add to the experience. so.........seems limited run manuals are the way to go.well, my 430 was a manual and i wouldn't have it any other way to be honest.
residuals are not far from my mind as i've had some toe curling experiences in the past(with aston actually); so the 430 tops out again there then.
looks like i'll be back in a donkey before too long then!
Plus as a forma 430 driver out can test drive without having to get used to the other elements, just use sport/race when you go out.
RevHappy said:
Don't dismiss the the F1, it takes a bit of time to fully get into it but once dialled in it can really add to the experience.
Plus as a forma 430 driver out can test drive without having to get used to the other elements, just use sport/race when you go out.
yeah,i'd give it a go but i'm a pretty stubborn, no nonsense northern type so when my mind is set on something............!! plus i'd miss not having the open gate as well.Plus as a forma 430 driver out can test drive without having to get used to the other elements, just use sport/race when you go out.
it's all been made more complicated again now because i've just seen the toro red dbs over in the aston section and it looks absolutely glorious.
Over here after seeing Tuscaneer's post in the AM section. Having read your thread I have nothing to add to the debate 430 vs DBS (I know which is best ). I am just posting to give you a heads up. I have a client who owns a couple of 911GT2 thingies which they use at the ring to entertain!!! customers. They also used to own a Scud. Evidently compared to the 911's a complete waste of time so beware if you're gonna track one 
). I am just posting to give you a heads up. I have a client who owns a couple of 911GT2 thingies which they use at the ring to entertain!!! customers. They also used to own a Scud. Evidently compared to the 911's a complete waste of time so beware if you're gonna track one Gassing Station | Supercar General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff