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gd
Original Poster
165 posts
58 months
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Hi all,
Just thought I'd start a new topic re the pricing of 991s and 981s as I've been a bit surprised recently.
I've been looking for a 997 turbo, and recently had a car in the OPC for a PPI check which I subsequently purchased. Whilst there I was admiring the styling of the 991 (what a great looking car!) and a salesman took me for a drive. I liked it, I won't get drawn into comparisons here, but liked it enough to sit with him at the configurator and think about it as an option.
I then had a heart attack... 75k for a 'basic Carrera', 80k with PDK, and over 90k for a reasonably well spec'd C2S with PDK. What happened? Ow! I know inflation has kicked in since I spent 65k on a well spec'd C4S in 2004, but I was really surprised.
Conversely, having also driven a 981S, the car is an absolute steal at 45k. I really struggled to 'feel' a difference of over 30k for a Carrera, and I was surprised at how far the Boxster has come on whilst not increasing in price.
So, have I missed something. Is Porsche pushing up the prices of the 911 and keeping Boxster prices affordable? Will we see less 991s on the road as a result of this, thus returning to the old days of 911s being quite rare?
In the end I spent 60k on a MY09 997tt with 8k miles and lots of toys. Compared to the 991 it was a lot more car for the money. But for those of you lucky enough to be able to buy a 991, you have a lovely car.
Cheers
Gary
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lingus75
1,343 posts
92 months
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gd said: Hi all,
Just thought I'd start a new topic re the pricing of 991s and 981s as I've been a bit surprised recently.
I've been looking for a 997 turbo, and recently had a car in the OPC for a PPI check which I subsequently purchased. Whilst there I was admiring the styling of the 991 (what a great looking car!) and a salesman took me for a drive. I liked it, I won't get drawn into comparisons here, but liked it enough to sit with him at the configurator and think about it as an option.
I then had a heart attack... 75k for a 'basic Carrera', 80k with PDK, and over 90k for a reasonably well spec'd C2S with PDK. What happened? Ow! I know inflation has kicked in since I spent 65k on a well spec'd C4S in 2004, but I was really surprised.
On the off chance, was that the GT Silver one from OPC Newcastle? I almost went with that one but realistically was a bit out of reach for me.
Conversely, having also driven a 981S, the car is an absolute steal at 45k. I really struggled to 'feel' a difference of over 30k for a Carrera, and I was surprised at how far the Boxster has come on whilst not increasing in price.
So, have I missed something. Is Porsche pushing up the prices of the 911 and keeping Boxster prices affordable? Will we see less 991s on the road as a result of this, thus returning to the old days of 911s being quite rare?
In the end I spent 60k on a MY09 997tt with 8k miles and lots of toys. Compared to the 991 it was a lot more car for the money. But for those of you lucky enough to be able to buy a 991, you have a lovely car.
Cheers
Gary
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lingus75
1,343 posts
92 months
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gd said: Hi all,
Just thought I'd start a new topic re the pricing of 991s and 981s as I've been a bit surprised recently.
I've been looking for a 997 turbo, and recently had a car in the OPC for a PPI check which I subsequently purchased. Whilst there I was admiring the styling of the 991 (what a great looking car!) and a salesman took me for a drive. I liked it, I won't get drawn into comparisons here, but liked it enough to sit with him at the configurator and think about it as an option.
I then had a heart attack... 75k for a 'basic Carrera', 80k with PDK, and over 90k for a reasonably well spec'd C2S with PDK. What happened? Ow! I know inflation has kicked in since I spent 65k on a well spec'd C4S in 2004, but I was really surprised.
On the off chance, was that the GT Silver one from OPC Newcastle? I almost went with that one but realistically was a bit out of reach for me.
Conversely, having also driven a 981S, the car is an absolute steal at 45k. I really struggled to 'feel' a difference of over 30k for a Carrera, and I was surprised at how far the Boxster has come on whilst not increasing in price.
So, have I missed something. Is Porsche pushing up the prices of the 911 and keeping Boxster prices affordable? Will we see less 991s on the road as a result of this, thus returning to the old days of 911s being quite rare?
In the end I spent 60k on a MY09 997tt with 8k miles and lots of toys. Compared to the 991 it was a lot more car for the money. But for those of you lucky enough to be able to buy a 991, you have a lovely car.
Cheers
Gary On the off chance, was that the GT Silver one from OPC Newcastle? I almost went with that one but realistically was a bit out of reach for me.
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gd
Original Poster
165 posts
58 months
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No, its a black one, not from the OPC but from Christopher Jackson in Wilmslow. I was looking at the one in Newcastle, and one up in Glasgow too that was cheaper but an 08 car and a lot leggier.
It was in the OPC to see if it could in theory have an OPC warranty applied, if I decide to go down that route after 90 days. I know the OPC checks aren't that comprehensive, but it was worthwhile as they found a few things to fix and gave it a clean bill of health re rev ranges and running times.
Going back to the original post, I still couldn't get over the price differential of the Boxster and 991. God help the sales of the 991 convertible, unless you really need a shelf behind the seats (or need to be seen in a 911) I really can't see what you get for a 40k premium.
Gary
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breadvan
336 posts
38 months
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for a true comparison you need to spend £55-£60K for a well specced Boxster S PDK - still good value though.
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Raitzi
595 posts
82 months
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MadMark911
1,421 posts
19 months
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Hmm - must have been the driver of the 991 as an '08 plate 997 equalled the 981 ..
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gd
Original Poster
165 posts
58 months
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breadvan said: for a true comparison you need to spend £55-£60K for a well specced Boxster S PDK - still good value though. Just played with the configurator, and yes, i'd need to spend 48k on a manual or 53k on a PDK so i was a bit out, but I agree, in ccomparison they are immense value. Looks to me like that in the past 8 years Boxsters have gone up about 8k, and 911s about 15k, so maybe that's right proportionately, but its opening up quite a gap in price as the performance gap narrows.
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craigjm
2,348 posts
70 months
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Raitzi said: really? and if you can't live with the soft top wait for the new Cayman early 13
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mrdemon
3,172 posts
135 months
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350bhp cayman and my order is in.
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gd
Original Poster
165 posts
58 months
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mrdemon said: 350bhp cayman and my order is in. That will be one hell of a fun car to drive. So, at this rate, if you want a performance coupe you buy a Cayman, and if you want a performance soft top you buy a Boxster. What, then, is the 991 for (at 30-40k more too)? I am getting the 991 pricing less and less. Is it really just to keep it more exclusive?
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craigjm
2,348 posts
70 months
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gd said: That will be one hell of a fun car to drive.
So, at this rate, if you want a performance coupe you buy a Cayman, and if you want a performance soft top you buy a Boxster. What, then, is the 991 for (at 30-40k more too)?
I am getting the 991 pricing less and less. Is it really just to keep it more exclusive? two tiny little rear seats and a bucket load of history. To be honest I think the Cayman is the better car. If only they had the balls to stick the turbo lump in.
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gd
Original Poster
165 posts
58 months
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craigjm said: two tiny little rear seats and a bucket load of history. To be honest I think the Cayman is the better car. If only they had the balls to stick the turbo lump in. I do agree re the seats, my 8 year old loves it in the back and that's why I'm on my 3rd 911 (as opposed to f-cars and astons), but for 80K+ you can buy two excellent cars for fun days and family days. As for history... it feels to me like they are really stretching it now. I liked that the 997 was more like the 993 inside and out than the 996, it felt like they were going back to the design brief, but the 991 is totally new... beautiful and luxurious yes, but totally new. Agree too re the Cayman Turbo, now that would be something ;-)
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craigjm
2,348 posts
70 months
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gd said: I do agree re the seats, my 8 year old loves it in the back and that's why I'm on my 3rd 911 (as opposed to f-cars and astons), but for 80K+ you can buy two excellent cars for fun days and family days.
As for history... it feels to me like they are really stretching it now. I liked that the 997 was more like the 993 inside and out than the 996, it felt like they were going back to the design brief, but the 991 is totally new... beautiful and luxurious yes, but totally new.
Agree too re the Cayman Turbo, now that would be something ;-) yeah i wasnt listing either as a positive 
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Raitzi
595 posts
82 months
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I wait what 981 cayman S is before making my call on my next car.
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christer
2,801 posts
121 months
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Gd
VW's "native" currency is the Euro.......
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gd
Original Poster
165 posts
58 months
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christer said: Gd
VW's "native" currency is the Euro....... Yeah, I get that, and it will have had some impact as the pound has devalued, but with euro devaluation we're at 1.20-ish still so I wouldn't have thought we'd be hurting too bad, and the differential in the price of the cars will still be the same And if they can still afford to sell them for 100k dollars in the US with a 4 year warranty, then I think the local currency matters less than the regional pricing and profitability policy. The UK has always been a big contributor to Porsche AG profits... for obvious reasons. Gd
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taaffy
909 posts
109 months
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When you see the prices of some Fords and vauxhalls creeping ever closer to 30k and some pretty standard engined 3 series BMW's hitting high 40's then Porsche pricing is not that bad.
However if you look at say Ferrari, in 98 a 355 was circa 90k, then the 360 came out in 99/00 and it was circa 105k now an entry level ferrari is more like 169k before options.
I'd baulk more at paying 45k for a 3 series than paying 55k for a new Boxster S or 90k for a new model 991.
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EJH
137 posts
79 months
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Porsches (and cars) in real terms were much cheaper than they used to be for some time.
My 911 cost around £42,000 including options in 1988. Inflation-link that and you will find it's just under £93,000...
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gd
Original Poster
165 posts
58 months
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Yeah, all this makes sense. I just don't know that many people who would spend 80-90k on a new car these days. I work in IT/banking so yes there are a lucky few, but most of those that would have bought a new 911 a few years back aren't buying them now, and I think a big part of that is the price (and lack of disposable income).
My own decision was made based on how much car I was getting for the money. A low mileage 4 year old 997tt seemed much better value, and I've been talking to a friend with a 997 GT3 who went through the same thought process this year.
Maybe I'm just getting tight in my old age.
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