RE: Pic Of The Week: Mercedes Silver Arrow

RE: Pic Of The Week: Mercedes Silver Arrow

Friday 10th August 2012

Pic Of The Week: Mercedes Silver Arrow

A trip back in time to the Silver Arrows era with a Mercedes W125 at the 'ring



Is there a sight more evocative than a 1930s Silver Arrow thundering around the Nurburgring? Hard to think of one, Mick Walsh at Classic & Sports Car the brave/lucky individual tasked with taking this priceless Mercedes W125 around the Nordschleife and snapped here by Tony Baker. OK, it's old school. But 600hp horsepower driving 750kg, fed on an exotic brew of methyl alcohol, benzol, ethyl alcohol and regular gasoline is suitably awe inspiring now, let alone 80-odd years ago.

You can read the full story of Walsh's drive in this month's Classic & Sports Car and it's suitably epic, Walsh telling us the car was surprisingly approachable given due respect. And if you want a further taste of what he experienced this Shell promotional film, narrated by Graham Hill and featuring Mercedes Silver Arrows team driver Hermann Lang, is well worth a look.

 

The other half of the Silver Arrows equation is also in the news today too, Audi announcing that it's bought back an Auto Union Type D - one of two reassembled from parts recovered from behind the Iron Curtain and rebuilt in the early 90s. You can read the full story over at Classic & Sports Car too.

And if you want to see these monsters in action you need to get yourself to the Goodwood Revival in September where a very special re-enactment will take place featuring cars from both Mercedes and Auto Union. See our earlier story for more.

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soad

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32,894 posts

176 months

Friday 10th August 2012
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That's some motor, bicycle tires and all.

iva cosworth

44,044 posts

163 months

Friday 10th August 2012
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What was his B to G time then ?getmecoat

Serious modethumbupGreat POTW

vrooom

3,763 posts

267 months

Friday 10th August 2012
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Any idea why car of those era has positive camber? it look like this \-O-/ instead of /-O-\.

coanda

2,642 posts

190 months

Friday 10th August 2012
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Great video - can't believe there's a chap on a bicycle on the track towards the end!

LotusOmega375D

7,613 posts

153 months

Friday 10th August 2012
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M-B used to have a strict rule about only (ex-) F1 drivers would be allowed to drive their museum Silver Arrows. Not sure Mick Walsh and his flat cap fall into this category!

I remember seeing the slightly later and freshly restored W154 owned by Neil Corner take on a classic Grand Prix grid at Silverstone about 20 years ago. The Merc started last (it was a surprise entry and hadn't actually qualified) and by half way round lap 1 was up to mid-field until some over-excited idiot (Barrie Gillies) spun his sh!tty Riley and T-Boned the priceless Merc. We never even saw it come round for a second lap. AFAIK it was never raced again. frown

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Friday 10th August 2012
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Not sure you can blame someone for hitting another car mid-spin, there isn't much room for control there...

framerateuk

2,733 posts

184 months

Friday 10th August 2012
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Fantastic video!

It's hard to believe how much the ring has changed since then. No barriers or sand traps but still some areas are instantly recognisable!

toppstuff

13,698 posts

247 months

Friday 10th August 2012
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The W125 held a land speed record at more than 230mph I believe...

In the 1930's.

With skinny wheels, rubbish brakes, and the driver wearing a cotton coverall and some leather brogues.

Simply amazing.

jamespink

1,218 posts

204 months

Friday 10th August 2012
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Remarkable car this, surely one of the greatest racing cars ever! I can't imagine what flooring 600 BHP in a car like this would be like! Amazing tech for this age...

Jasper Gilder

2,166 posts

273 months

Friday 10th August 2012
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Yes it did hold the LSR, but it was a streamliner - Bernt Rosemeyer who was one of the greatest drivers of the time was killed in one when it was caught by a cross wind

Wonderful film, Herman Lang was always looked down on a bit as he'd come from the factory and was a bit working class compared to Carraciola, Seaman and Von Brausitch - but he was quick. And Alfred Neubauer too, who had been in action only a few years before looking after Moss and Fangio

Great commentary by Graham Hill "It really pays to have the front wheel brushing the hedge here" What a masterpiece of sang froid!

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Friday 10th August 2012
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There was a wonderful anecdote about the class divide in the Mercedes team I recall from a book about the period. I think it was von Brauchitsch and it went along the lines of him walking into a hotel bar with Caracciola and Lang and saying something along the lines of "A glass of champagne for myself and Herr Caracciola. And a beer for Lang."

Kind of says it all really - Lang was, as I recall, a mechanic done good whereas the others were your more typical aristocrat types. All of them heroes at the wheel though.

LotusOmega375D

7,613 posts

153 months

Friday 10th August 2012
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Jasper Gilder said:
And Alfred Neubauer too, who had been in action only a few years before looking after Moss and Fangio
??? Back to the Future?

XTR2Turbo

1,533 posts

231 months

Friday 10th August 2012
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Amazing car and drivers - basically limited by tyres. Couldn't it spin its rear wheels in the dry at 150mph?

Amizade

284 posts

225 months

Friday 10th August 2012
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Superb bit of engineering & to have one that works on a regular basis - see below.

http://www.crosthwaiteandgardiner.com/news/novembe...

ADM06

1,077 posts

172 months

Friday 10th August 2012
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This car nearly pushed the Napier Railton off the top of my list of "coolest cars."

RemarkLima

2,374 posts

212 months

Saturday 11th August 2012
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Fantastic pic of the week!

Krikkit said:
Not sure you can blame someone for hitting another car mid-spin, there isn't much room for control there...
I think the point maybe is to exercise car control before the spin... clearly during the spin you've ran out of talent and luck.

Oakman

326 posts

158 months

Saturday 11th August 2012
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Gorgeous !

Can we see it in Mono too please, it will have the right period look too (viewing on a pad I'm not able to convert it).

shoestring7

6,138 posts

246 months

Saturday 11th August 2012
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framerateuk said:
Fantastic video!
I note that it's directed by Bill Mason, Nick's old man.

SS7

garypotter

1,502 posts

150 months

Monday 13th August 2012
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Awesome car.
yes a museum piece but a real beauty.

Love the knowledge shared by the old school racers, I remember an interview with Sir Jackie and he could also describe every corner and bump of the ring.

daveco

4,125 posts

207 months

Monday 13th August 2012
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Great commentary by Hill: so blasé about spinning off!

I recall reading a great piece on the Nurburgring and Fangio racing it like a man possessed, this is from his Wiki page;

"In 1957 Fangio returned to Maserati, who were still using the same iconic 250F which Fangio had driven at the start of 1954. Fangio started the season with a hat-trick of wins in Argentina, Monaco and France, before retiring with engine problems in Britain. At the next race, the German Grand Prix at the Nürburgring circuit, Fangio needed to extend his lead by six points to claim the title with two races to spare. From pole position Fangio dropped to third behind the Ferraris of Hawthorn and Collins but managed to get past both by the end of the third lap. Fangio had started with half-full tanks since he expected that he would need new tyres half-way through the race. In the event Fangio pitted on lap 13 with a 30-second lead, but a disastrous stop left him back in third place and 50 seconds behind Collins and Hawthorn. Fangio came into his own, setting one fastest lap after another, culminating in a record-breaking time on lap 20 a full eleven seconds faster than the best the Ferraris could do. On the penultimate lap Fangio got back past both Collins and Hawthorn, and held on to take the win by just over three seconds. With Musso finishing down in fourth place, Fangio claimed his fifth title. This performance is often regarded as the greatest drive in Formula One history, and it was to be Fangio's last win"