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marcus1875

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I have a 1982 280i v6 cologne 4 speed. what box is it likely to be? Type N or type 9? Sorry if it is a stupid question. thanks

mrzigazaga

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Hi marcus...Should be a Ford 4-speed type "E" gearbox with a 9.5inch single dry plate clutch..How is it all coming along?...Ziga

marcus1875

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Thanks for that mark. steering rack done, think i have got to the bottom of the stalling. thermo time switch i hope. got one ordered should have been here today, hopefully tomorrow. getting a new speedo cable from speedy cables which is why i needed the box dts. still to do the leaky head gasket but it is just a very small leak so it can wait for a wee while. full engine out over the winter, i'm hoping to get my mates lockup which is better than doing an engine in the drive?

mrzigazaga

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Hi Mate..You found a thermotime switch!!..Can you send me the link as i can find them anywhere..They stopped making them a while back...Cheers...Ziga

marcus1875

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Evening mark, have pm'd a link to the thermo switch. didnt like to post in case mids didnt like it. Marcus
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mrzigazaga

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Cheers...YHM sir!.

RCK974X

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for reference - what I know about gearboxes....feel free to correct me if this is wrong....
there is quite a bit of confusion around the types....

The 5 speeders (Type 9) are built on the original Heavy Duty type 4 speeder, which is *NOT* the same as the 4 speed fitted to Tasmin, which comes from 3 litre Capri.

My Haynes manuals I *think* have the wrong references compared to Ford catalogue, but I could be wrong here. Their pictures describe the bigger gearbox as a type E, and the smaller one (which became 5 speeder) as a type B. Anyway the pictures prove that the lighter one became the 5 speed type 9.. (I'll stay away from type refs now !!)


5 Speeders come in two main varieties, a 4 cyl (1.6, 2.0 etc) and the 2.3V6, and a HD version fitted to the 2.8V6 (has different ratios)- this is across all of the models as far as I know. Very late boxy Granadas and the Scorpio got an upgraded version of the 5 speeder which has quite a few improvements and is worth getting if you can find one. You CAN change a 4 cyl to a 6 cyl but you need the right bellhousing (2.3 Cortina and possibly 2.3 Granada, not sure) and input shaft. 5 speeders are very hard on the layshaft, and it tends to wear with a 2.8. There are longer needle rollers in the (original) 2.8 boxes

5 speed 4 cyls are easier to find but V6 are very rare as I understand.

4 speed gearboxes were basically -
4 cyl light duty (early Kent/crossflow 1.3, 1.6)
4 cyl medium duty (1.6 and 2.0 OHC 'Pinto' block)
4 cyl HD - this was the B type (according to Haynes) - then got remade into 5 speeeder type 9

6 cyl HD - this box was fitted to 3.0 Capri and Granny and Scimitar and is bigger and stronger than the 5 speed. Apparently it's good for about 250bhp, but parts are rare now. When 2.8 came along Ford made a bellhousing for it, so 4 speed 2.8 also has this gearbox, including early Wedges
and Scimitars, etc. There were rumours it was a US box, but I don't think it was. This box also went into tranist vans, but lower ratio so not much use without a rebuild... [There were 3.0 Transit vans ]

NB - this is why 5 speeders look like they have an extra bit stuck on.... they actually *DO* !!
the 5th speed gears are actually OUTSIDE the original gearcase, and in the space where the tailshaft used to be....

Edited by RCK974X on Thursday 16th August 22:08

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