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quick gearbox q.

quick gearbox q.

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marcus1875

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1,398 posts

48 months

Thursday 16th August 2012
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I have a 1982 280i v6 cologne 4 speed. what box is it likely to be? Type N or type 9? Sorry if it is a stupid question. thanks

mrzigazaga

15,496 posts

71 months

Thursday 16th August 2012
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Hi marcus...Should be a Ford 4-speed type "E" gearbox with a 9.5inch single dry plate clutch..How is it all coming along?...Ziga

marcus1875

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1,398 posts

48 months

Thursday 16th August 2012
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Thanks for that mark. steering rack done, think i have got to the bottom of the stalling. thermo time switch i hope. got one ordered should have been here today, hopefully tomorrow. getting a new speedo cable from speedy cables which is why i needed the box dts. still to do the leaky head gasket but it is just a very small leak so it can wait for a wee while. full engine out over the winter, i'm hoping to get my mates lockup which is better than doing an engine in the drive?

mrzigazaga

15,496 posts

71 months

Thursday 16th August 2012
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Hi Mate..You found a thermotime switch!!..Can you send me the link as i can find them anywhere..They stopped making them a while back...Cheers...Ziga

marcus1875

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1,398 posts

48 months

Thursday 16th August 2012
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Evening mark, have pm'd a link to the thermo switch. didnt like to post in case mids didnt like it. Marcus
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mrzigazaga

15,496 posts

71 months

Thursday 16th August 2012
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Cheers...YHM sir!.

RCK974X

2,155 posts

55 months

Thursday 16th August 2012
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for reference - what I know about gearboxes....feel free to correct me if this is wrong....
there is quite a bit of confusion around the types....

The 5 speeders (Type 9) are built on the original Heavy Duty type 4 speeder, which is *NOT* the same as the 4 speed fitted to Tasmin, which comes from 3 litre Capri.

My Haynes manuals I *think* have the wrong references compared to Ford catalogue, but I could be wrong here. Their pictures describe the bigger gearbox as a type E, and the smaller one (which became 5 speeder) as a type B. Anyway the pictures prove that the lighter one became the 5 speed type 9.. (I'll stay away from type refs now !!)


5 Speeders come in two main varieties, a 4 cyl (1.6, 2.0 etc) and the 2.3V6, and a HD version fitted to the 2.8V6 (has different ratios)- this is across all of the models as far as I know. Very late boxy Granadas and the Scorpio got an upgraded version of the 5 speeder which has quite a few improvements and is worth getting if you can find one. You CAN change a 4 cyl to a 6 cyl but you need the right bellhousing (2.3 Cortina and possibly 2.3 Granada, not sure) and input shaft. 5 speeders are very hard on the layshaft, and it tends to wear with a 2.8. There are longer needle rollers in the (original) 2.8 boxes

5 speed 4 cyls are easier to find but V6 are very rare as I understand.

4 speed gearboxes were basically -
4 cyl light duty (early Kent/crossflow 1.3, 1.6)
4 cyl medium duty (1.6 and 2.0 OHC 'Pinto' block)
4 cyl HD - this was the B type (according to Haynes) - then got remade into 5 speeeder type 9

6 cyl HD - this box was fitted to 3.0 Capri and Granny and Scimitar and is bigger and stronger than the 5 speed. Apparently it's good for about 250bhp, but parts are rare now. When 2.8 came along Ford made a bellhousing for it, so 4 speed 2.8 also has this gearbox, including early Wedges
and Scimitars, etc. There were rumours it was a US box, but I don't think it was. This box also went into tranist vans, but lower ratio so not much use without a rebuild... [There were 3.0 Transit vans ]

NB - this is why 5 speeders look like they have an extra bit stuck on.... they actually *DO* !!
the 5th speed gears are actually OUTSIDE the original gearcase, and in the space where the tailshaft used to be....

Edited by RCK974X on Thursday 16th August 22:08