RE: PH FLEET: LEXUS LS400/TVR CHIMAERA 400

RE: PH FLEET: LEXUS LS400/TVR CHIMAERA 400

Friday 17th August 2012

PH FLEET: LEXUS LS400/TVR CHIMAERA 400

Garlick tries to save fuel on his all-V8 fleet and Petrol Ted's legacy lives on



Life with my all-V8 fleet is as trouble free as ever, but for the first time since buying them I am starting to resent giving a large part of my salary to various petroleum companies. Sad but true. I don't really have an issue with the TVR as that is used mainly for fun so the fuel can be justified and, in all honesty, it's not that bad in terms of consumption thanks to the manual box, lots of torque and the fact it is a light car.

Paul suffers some barge envy
Paul suffers some barge envy
The Lexus, however, is a bit thirsty as you'd expect. And as the main car for the Garlick household I have recently been attempting to eke out the most mpg possible. Two things are needed to do this, a very light foot and relaxed driving style coupled with leaving the excellent hi-fi switched off as I end up playing music at silly volume and drive faster as a result.

Has it worked? I think so, and setting the cruise for a touch under 70 on the motorway has resulted in me covering some big miles using relatively little fuel, and being smoother in London has seen my city figure rise from 17 to 22mpg. That'll do me, and I quite like the relaxed pace too. OK, so it's far from frugal but I'm surprising myself with the effect small changes can have.

Generosity of fellow PHers astounding
Generosity of fellow PHers astounding
No news is good news
As you'd expect, the LS has been trouble free for another month. Yes I need to tweak a few things here and there, but it still gets used as a turn-key car without drama. A few thousand miles have been added in silence, and I genuinely don't think I have owned a more comfortable, more reliable car in my life.

A kind person has scraped the front bumper leaving a visible mark on the bumper and paint, but that's the hazard of SW London on-street parking for you. The dreaded MOT test looms, as does a service, so let's see if the love continues after I see the bills.

As for the TVR, well I need a good telling off really as it has not been used as often as it should be. A mixture of busy home life, and being fortunate enough to have had a few of the PH test cars thrown my way by Mr Trent, has meant it languishes in the garage far too often. Not that it complains and since I fitted the new battery it is happy to sit there for a couple of weeks and will still start strongly when required.

Cracked headlamp acquired en route to Le Mans
Cracked headlamp acquired en route to Le Mans
You may recall I cracked a headlight lens on the way back from Le Mans earlier this year? Following my last update PHer Quentin1 emailed from Germany offering me a replacement lens for free. Amazed at the generosity I accepted and offered to contribute the postage costs, only to be told he would cover it all. Don't you just love the PH community? We really are a great bunch of enthusiasts.

PH parts services
A few days later a large box arrived containing four immaculate reflector units and four equally nice lenses. To say I was pleased would be an understatement. Turns out this kind PHer has imported two TVRs to Germany (one Chim and one Cerb) and had converted both to continental spec headlights leaving the RHD units spare. The Chimaera was bought from PH founder Petrol Ted, so in a strange twist of fate Ted's Chim lights have left the country only to find their way back onto my own car years later! I hope to pass them down to another PH team member one day, or maybe I'll keep them as a reminder of the PH TVR connection.

Lexus bears the scars of on-street parking
Lexus bears the scars of on-street parking
I'll finish with a question for you. You know that I love the TVR and am continually impressed with the Lexus, but I have had both for a while now. Do I keep my perfect pair or sell both to get one car that does the job of both? If I do sell, what could I buy at around £15K, or do I consider leasing something more modern and more expensive like a 911?

It's a question I ponder a lot, but then I drive the TVR and cover a few thousand miles in the LS and the thought seems ridiculous...what to do.


Fact Sheet:
Car:
 1997 Lexus LS400
Run by: Garlick
Bought: Jan 2011
Purchase price: £1,800
Last month at a glance: MPG, parking scrape, relaiabilty, more miles

Fact Sheet:
Car:
 1999 TVR Chimaera 4.0
Run by: Garlick
Bought: December 2009
Purchase price: £12,995
Last month at a glance: Old PH connections, not driven enough

Previous reports
The perfect pairing for reformed car buying addict Garlick
Why reading up on your car's history is most definitely a good thing
TVR lives once more, Lexus carries on regardless
MOT time for the Lexus and a reawakening for the TVR

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Discussion

Digga

Original Poster:

40,316 posts

283 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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I think the pair offer a good contrast and make a near perfect set of vehicles.

When the weather's grotty and it's all about getting reliably from A to B withi minimal stress and fuss, what better than an LS400? Certainly nothing with an equivalent grin factor to the 4 litre Chim (I love the character of the un-stroked RV8) would suffice. And I think that serieis of LS400 still looks the best.

BTW, your carpet fitter's doing well. wink

mocca

320 posts

155 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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Keep the TVR, replace the Lexus with a 730d.

mk1chopper

56 posts

174 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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Keep the TVR, replace the lexus with something that will return more mpg allowing you spend the saved money driving the TVR more

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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MoT and service the Lexus then sell it to me for not much money?

I know it's not a helpful suggestion, but hey.

Moycie

536 posts

197 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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The initial message was deleted from this topic on 01 April 2014 at 16:11

School boy

1,006 posts

211 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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How much for the LS?

Garlick

40,601 posts

240 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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School boy said:
How much for the LS?
It's not for sale yet hehe

J4CKO

41,543 posts

200 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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Are they really worth 15 grand between them ?

Martin 480 Turbo

602 posts

187 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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Garlick, this sounds and looks like you have found the realms of
automobile perfection at a relatively modest age.

And that might be the problem here. You're still too young, to take
a deep breath,take some time, soak it all in and leave everything as is.

What you could do is not to fiddle with your car solutions until
a) your bones grow to old and tired for the TVR
b) Gas becomes prohibitevely expensive for the Lexus

Both will be a good 20 years away. You could use those 20 years to
make your path into buddhism or whatever.

On the other hand you could blow it all away and start anew with something
more silly. Replace both with a Maserati Quattroporte. That would give you
a good slapping.

Martin 480 Turbo

Edited by Martin 480 Turbo on Friday 17th August 12:46

Garlick

40,601 posts

240 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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J4CKO said:
Are they really worth 15 grand between them ?
Now, where did I say that? hehe

Johnboy Mac

2,666 posts

178 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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Garlick, you ask what to do? Well, the cheapest car overall is the LS, not to mention it's one of the nicest d/drivers one could have....so, best keep your fleet as is and buy another one to add to it. Simple! smile

School boy

1,006 posts

211 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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Ok I'll wait. You should sell it and buy this before I convince myself it's a good idea: http://www.nsandell.com/carsforsale.php (one at the bottom)

J4CKO

41,543 posts

200 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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Garlick said:
J4CKO said:
Are they really worth 15 grand between them ?
Now, where did I say that? hehe
It was kind of implied, but you may have also been implying you might put 5 grand towards your next purchase.


Dalto123

3,198 posts

163 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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Great write up thumbup

Concerning your question selling both TVR/Lexus for one car, here are my thoughts:

1. If you bought the 911 and had that as your everyday car, would you quickly get bored of using it, getting too used to the power etc... Will it just feel like a commuter car, not a weekend toy.

2. Would you miss/regret selling the TVR if you sold it. No matter how nice the Porsche sounds ,theres nothing quite like a TVR sound is there? wink


MUDGUTZ

117 posts

147 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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LS 400:

Garlick said:
The dreaded MOT test looms, as does a service, so let's see if the love continues after I see the bills.
I bought mine for peanuts and it had no SH since about 120K. I give it a basic service myself and it has just sailed through the MOT with no advisorys on its 15th birthday at 162K. There is one problem which prevents me exploiting its full poke but having said that, it's a superb motorway cruiser and equally comfortable around town. I do about 15K per year.

Lets not forget that for a car of this age, Garlick and I may well be the last owners. There is a similar LS 400 for sale for £800 I have seen advertised. These cars, at this age should be run on a shoestring, they are virtually worthless as a trade-in.

Mine has a couple of problems: Drivers heated seat does not work, some of the radio back lights do not work and it has a problem with WOT. So far nobody including Lexus have been able to diagnose this but it's still VERY rapid. Other than that EVERYTHING else works.

excel monkey

4,545 posts

227 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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mocca said:
Keep the TVR, replace the Lexus with a 730d.
This.

Out of interest, was there a reason why you kept the LS and sold your Merc E220? Would have thought the Merc could do the barge thing *almost* as well as the Lexus, but drink less fuel while doing it.

macdeb

8,510 posts

255 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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Keep the TVR [you would regret selling it]Sell the Lexus and get an Alfa diesel [lusso fully loaded]thumbup It's what we have and can't part with either.

Garlick

40,601 posts

240 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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MUDGUTZ said:
Mine has a couple of problems: Drivers heated seat does not work, some of the radio back lights do not work and it has a problem with WOT. So far nobody including Lexus have been able to diagnose this but it's still VERY rapid. Other than that EVERYTHING else works.
I agree, and everything on mine works without exception. Servicing I can't do (as I am a numpty) so a local garage does it and in all honesty I'm sure it will be OK for the MOT....well I hope so anyway.

As for trade in, I don't think I'd even ask what a dealer would give for it. Privately they do OK, relative to what I paid for it anyway.

Garlick

40,601 posts

240 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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excel monkey said:
Out of interest, was there a reason why you kept the LS and sold your Merc E220? Would have thought the Merc could do the barge thing *almost* as well as the Lexus, but drink less fuel while doing it.
The Merc was lovely, really lovely, but I hankered after a larger engine, some cow seats and a few toys. The power, silence and comfort of the big Lexus meant the Merc was used less and less. I loved the Merc, but the Lexus just edged it and the Merc was the one to be sold.

I'd have another 124 wagon, but I'd like an E320 with all the trimmings.

esvcg

851 posts

185 months

Friday 17th August 2012
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If your not using the lexus to your full enjoyment purely because of the petrol price, then you've clearly come to point where it's got to go.

Also i like the 'caviler - vectra 1 - vectra 2' line up in the first picture!