Passenger rear wheel rubbing
Discussion
I have a big standard Clio 172 ph2,
Over the past few weeks I have noticed a noise which has gradually got worse.
Today upon investigation I have found that the rear passenger side tire is rubbing against the inner arch.
I do not know how to upload pics from my phone so imagine the wheel is a clock face, there are marks on the inner arch liner at approximately 1 o'clock. It shows that the tire is connecting here and slowly wearing away at the plastics.
There is no visible damage to the wheel or tire, there is a slight mark on the shock absorber which looks like there has been metal on metal contact.
I cannot figure out why this is happening but I'm getting a tad concerned there may be damage to something structural, there have been no impacts only hard ish cornering.
The car drives exactly the same as it has done and the only thing I notice is this noise.
Any ideas folks?
Cheers.
Over the past few weeks I have noticed a noise which has gradually got worse.
Today upon investigation I have found that the rear passenger side tire is rubbing against the inner arch.
I do not know how to upload pics from my phone so imagine the wheel is a clock face, there are marks on the inner arch liner at approximately 1 o'clock. It shows that the tire is connecting here and slowly wearing away at the plastics.
There is no visible damage to the wheel or tire, there is a slight mark on the shock absorber which looks like there has been metal on metal contact.
I cannot figure out why this is happening but I'm getting a tad concerned there may be damage to something structural, there have been no impacts only hard ish cornering.
The car drives exactly the same as it has done and the only thing I notice is this noise.
Any ideas folks?
Cheers.
If the car hasn't been in a shunt and isn't ridiculously rusty then it's unlikely to be anything structural.
First thing I would look at is the trim itself to make sure nothing has dropped and restricting space.
Then I'd check out the bump stops, if these have disintegrated or disappeared then you might be getting a lot more suspension travel than you should be
Finally I'd be looking at bushes, if something's perished it might be allowing excessive lateral movement during cornering
Also i'm not sure how easy it is to adjust the rideheight on a Clio, I know it is generally relatively easy on torsion beam hatches, so it might be worth making sure it's correct as it may have been changed by a previous owner, or might have just sagged. Having said that, the bump stops should still prevent excessive movement.
First thing I would look at is the trim itself to make sure nothing has dropped and restricting space.
Then I'd check out the bump stops, if these have disintegrated or disappeared then you might be getting a lot more suspension travel than you should be
Finally I'd be looking at bushes, if something's perished it might be allowing excessive lateral movement during cornering
Also i'm not sure how easy it is to adjust the rideheight on a Clio, I know it is generally relatively easy on torsion beam hatches, so it might be worth making sure it's correct as it may have been changed by a previous owner, or might have just sagged. Having said that, the bump stops should still prevent excessive movement.
The Wookie said:
If the car hasn't been in a shunt and isn't ridiculously rusty then it's unlikely to be anything structural.
No shunt and no rust.
First thing I would look at is the trim itself to make sure nothing has dropped and restricting space.
All trim seems perfect and looks identical on both sides.
Then I'd check out the bump stops, if these have disintegrated or disappeared then you might be getting a lot more suspension travel than you should be
This is something I am unsure of, they are definitely there but do look quite small.
Finally I'd be looking at bushes, if something's perished it might be allowing excessive lateral movement during cornering
I gave everything a good shake and there appears to be no movement. I must point out that the rubbing is there when travelling in a straight line.
Also i'm not sure how easy it is to adjust the rideheight on a Clio, I know it is generally relatively easy on torsion beam hatches, so it might be worth making sure it's correct as it may have been changed by a previous owner, or might have just sagged. Having said that, the bump stops should still prevent excessive movement.
I have no idea about this, I did not know it was adjustable. What should I look for?
No shunt and no rust.
First thing I would look at is the trim itself to make sure nothing has dropped and restricting space.
All trim seems perfect and looks identical on both sides.
Then I'd check out the bump stops, if these have disintegrated or disappeared then you might be getting a lot more suspension travel than you should be
This is something I am unsure of, they are definitely there but do look quite small.
Finally I'd be looking at bushes, if something's perished it might be allowing excessive lateral movement during cornering
I gave everything a good shake and there appears to be no movement. I must point out that the rubbing is there when travelling in a straight line.
Also i'm not sure how easy it is to adjust the rideheight on a Clio, I know it is generally relatively easy on torsion beam hatches, so it might be worth making sure it's correct as it may have been changed by a previous owner, or might have just sagged. Having said that, the bump stops should still prevent excessive movement.
I have no idea about this, I did not know it was adjustable. What should I look for?
Jack up the rear, give the wheel a hefty shove in any direction - if it's got problems you'll feel it.
I didn't think the Clios of this age had torsion beam s
tspension, I thought that was a PSA favourite! Either that, or it could be a wheel bearing, but chances are it's the bearing in the end of the arm on the suspension.
I didn't think the Clios of this age had torsion beam s
tspension, I thought that was a PSA favourite! Either that, or it could be a wheel bearing, but chances are it's the bearing in the end of the arm on the suspension.Krikkit said:
Jack up the rear, give the wheel a hefty shove in any direction - if it's got problems you'll feel it.
I didn't think the Clios of this age had torsion beam stspension, I thought that was a PSA favourite! Either that, or it could be a wheel bearing, but chances are it's the bearing in the end of the arm on the suspension.
Would I not need rear wheels of the ground for this? And if so then I don't really wish to give it a good shove incase I knock it off the axel stands.I didn't think the Clios of this age had torsion beam s
tspension, I thought that was a PSA favourite! Either that, or it could be a wheel bearing, but chances are it's the bearing in the end of the arm on the suspension.Krikkit said:
Jack up the rear, give the wheel a hefty shove in any direction - if it's got problems you'll feel it.
I didn't think the Clios of this age had torsion beam stspension, I thought that was a PSA favourite! Either that, or it could be a wheel bearing, but chances are it's the bearing in the end of the arm on the suspension.
You're probably right, I just assumed it was because it's French and relatively old I didn't think the Clios of this age had torsion beam s
tspension, I thought that was a PSA favourite! Either that, or it could be a wheel bearing, but chances are it's the bearing in the end of the arm on the suspension.
The Wookie said:
curlie467 said:
It will be the rear torsion beam bushes causing the wheel to sit with negative camber. Peugeot 306s are notorious for it along with saxos etc.
That sounds like a winnercurlie467 said:
I got that slightly wrong them, they don`t have torsion bars, they have springs but it will be the rear beam bushes or possibly the stub axle but more likely the bushes.
It's still more or less the same layout just sprung in a different way, so I would guess would suffer from similar afflictions. As you say, rear beam bushes are still a good candidate!The Clio 172 has a crappy beam axle so there are no trailing arm bushes as such (at least not in the same way as PAS cars), just two big rubber bushes for the entire axle. It's quite common for these bushes to degrade to the point that the passenger side wheel rubs on the inner arch.
I have been back outside, removed the rear wheels and unbolted the shocks from their lower mount and an axel stand on each cill.
There does not seem to be excessive play in the rear beam/axel and the two bushes look to be still in one peace, although I do not know if there is anything missing as it looks the same on both sides.
Each disc/hub spins relatively freely, I think there is a slight bit of friction due to the pads. There is definitely no noise or play in those.
As far as I can see there is what I would call negative camber on each rear wheel, not excessive and there is definitely only contact with the arch on the passenger side.
I'm stumped and the only noise when driving is a sort of whirring sound which gets louder and worse when I corner left aggressively.
Any ideas folks as I'm a bit lost now???
And thank you for everybodies input so far.
There does not seem to be excessive play in the rear beam/axel and the two bushes look to be still in one peace, although I do not know if there is anything missing as it looks the same on both sides.
Each disc/hub spins relatively freely, I think there is a slight bit of friction due to the pads. There is definitely no noise or play in those.
As far as I can see there is what I would call negative camber on each rear wheel, not excessive and there is definitely only contact with the arch on the passenger side.
I'm stumped and the only noise when driving is a sort of whirring sound which gets louder and worse when I corner left aggressively.
Any ideas folks as I'm a bit lost now???
And thank you for everybodies input so far.
Whirring sound might suggest wheel bearing, but that would be obvious if you gave the wheel a tug around whilst in the air.
Bushes are not always obvious, and require a fair bit of load to establish any excessive movement. If you've got a bloody great pry bar you might want to have a go, but if a car of that age done more than about 80k on that set of bushes then they're worth replacing anyway.
Bushes are not always obvious, and require a fair bit of load to establish any excessive movement. If you've got a bloody great pry bar you might want to have a go, but if a car of that age done more than about 80k on that set of bushes then they're worth replacing anyway.
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