RE: What is Infiniti doing in F1?
Wednesday 26th September 2012
If you know two-fifths of anything about Formula 1, you’ll probably have paused to wonder about the Red Bull-Infiniti deal that started last year. If you're a cynic, although there’s nothing from the PH forums to suggest that could possibly be true, then you may have gone down this path:
- Red Bull + Renault V8 engine + Vettel = two world championships
- Renault + Nissan = commercial partnership
- Nissan to the power of 3 = Infiniti
- Infiniti struggles for recognition in many markets
- Overnight, Red Bull Renault becomes Red Bull Infiniti, and everyone wants to buy the new posh Nissan.
Some of this is actually true. The deal wasn’t sealed until the night before 2011's Geneva show, in a downtown Swiss hotel. Seb and Christian Horner appeared the next morning on the Infiniti show stand, trying to look terribly excited about things like “synergy”. Or possibly money.
Simon Sproule is the man who pulled the deal together. He’s a Corporate Vice President at Nissan, passionate that the company has chosen the right avenue rather than Premier League football, sailing or any of the other high-rolling sports.
You can easily see the brand associationThe Nissan-Renault link was critical, so Sproule looked at Renault-powered GP cars: Lotus in both its incarnations (one is now Caterham), plus Red Bull. Bernie got involved too – Infiniti was the only major sponsor likely to join F1 in 2011, and he was as keen as anyone to bring more money into the sport. As you may have heard.
Infiniti is a brand that still is hardly known outside Japan and the US. Launching in Europe with 3.7 V6 and 5.0 V8 petrol engines wasn’t the best idea for mass acceptance here, so the management needs to work out a way to get Infiniti onto a broader radar.
One way is to build smaller cars, and it’s no secret that within a couple of years there will be a Mercedes A/B-Class rival with Merc engines. Short term, though, there’s a need to boost awareness and to explain what the hell Infiniti stands for. F1 was deemed to be the solution.
Busier than LIDL on Pensioner's Tuesday
Certainly, Red Bull is a funky partner. The crew is the youngest on the pit lane, the garage echoes with music, the dynamic is at the opposite end of the spectrum to corporate McLaren. Yet, as we stand in the back of the garage when Webber makes his tyre stop at Spa, the professionalism is never in doubt.
So, how does it all come together for Infiniti and, indeed, Red Bull?
For the carmaker it’s all about exposure. TV airtime measurements show that of the top 100 brands involved in F1, Infiniti is already fourth, behind Red Bull, Vodaphone and Total.That’s impressive, and it shows the value of picking the right F1 team, whatever the cost.
But it still begs an important question. How do you convert an awareness of “Infiniti” into knowledge that it makes luxury cars you should be buying?
He tried pulling the wheel off once
The Infiniti FX Vettel Edition is one way. It's a lighter, faster bespoke version of the large SUV which (all cynicism aside) genuinely had input from the German. 50 will be built and 15 are already sold, for €120,000 a pop.
And Red Bull? Is there seriously anything in this arrangement for the team? Nissan/Infiniti is a world leader in electric cars and, crucially, the company is looking far further ahead than Red Bull ever can. The potential for high-end developments years into the future is something an F1 team simply doesn’t have the capacity to handle. Even if, like Red Bull, it employs over 500 people to run just two cars for 20 races a year.
There is something slightly Alice in Wonderland about this last scenario. We made a lightning tour of the Red Bull HQ before buzzing out to Spa in an FX50. All these people, all that money, all that effort, going into building a couple of racing cars which will need updating by the time each race ends.
From here to (insert missing word)
And yet the rapid development of new technology is amazing, and the employment prospects for engineers, the majority British, is second to none. Infiniti insists it can add knowledge and expertise, as well as money, to all this.
What is Infiniti doing in F1?
PH went to the Belgian GP to ask important people hard questions about the Infiniti-Red Bull tie-up
- Red Bull + Renault V8 engine + Vettel = two world championships
- Renault + Nissan = commercial partnership
- Nissan to the power of 3 = Infiniti
- Infiniti struggles for recognition in many markets
- Overnight, Red Bull Renault becomes Red Bull Infiniti, and everyone wants to buy the new posh Nissan.
Some of this is actually true. The deal wasn’t sealed until the night before 2011's Geneva show, in a downtown Swiss hotel. Seb and Christian Horner appeared the next morning on the Infiniti show stand, trying to look terribly excited about things like “synergy”. Or possibly money.
Simon Sproule is the man who pulled the deal together. He’s a Corporate Vice President at Nissan, passionate that the company has chosen the right avenue rather than Premier League football, sailing or any of the other high-rolling sports.
You can easily see the brand association
Infiniti is a brand that still is hardly known outside Japan and the US. Launching in Europe with 3.7 V6 and 5.0 V8 petrol engines wasn’t the best idea for mass acceptance here, so the management needs to work out a way to get Infiniti onto a broader radar.
One way is to build smaller cars, and it’s no secret that within a couple of years there will be a Mercedes A/B-Class rival with Merc engines. Short term, though, there’s a need to boost awareness and to explain what the hell Infiniti stands for. F1 was deemed to be the solution.
Busier than LIDL on Pensioner's Tuesday
Certainly, Red Bull is a funky partner. The crew is the youngest on the pit lane, the garage echoes with music, the dynamic is at the opposite end of the spectrum to corporate McLaren. Yet, as we stand in the back of the garage when Webber makes his tyre stop at Spa, the professionalism is never in doubt.
So, how does it all come together for Infiniti and, indeed, Red Bull?
For the carmaker it’s all about exposure. TV airtime measurements show that of the top 100 brands involved in F1, Infiniti is already fourth, behind Red Bull, Vodaphone and Total.That’s impressive, and it shows the value of picking the right F1 team, whatever the cost.
But it still begs an important question. How do you convert an awareness of “Infiniti” into knowledge that it makes luxury cars you should be buying?
He tried pulling the wheel off once
The Infiniti FX Vettel Edition is one way. It's a lighter, faster bespoke version of the large SUV which (all cynicism aside) genuinely had input from the German. 50 will be built and 15 are already sold, for €120,000 a pop.
And Red Bull? Is there seriously anything in this arrangement for the team? Nissan/Infiniti is a world leader in electric cars and, crucially, the company is looking far further ahead than Red Bull ever can. The potential for high-end developments years into the future is something an F1 team simply doesn’t have the capacity to handle. Even if, like Red Bull, it employs over 500 people to run just two cars for 20 races a year.
There is something slightly Alice in Wonderland about this last scenario. We made a lightning tour of the Red Bull HQ before buzzing out to Spa in an FX50. All these people, all that money, all that effort, going into building a couple of racing cars which will need updating by the time each race ends.
From here to (insert missing word)
And yet the rapid development of new technology is amazing, and the employment prospects for engineers, the majority British, is second to none. Infiniti insists it can add knowledge and expertise, as well as money, to all this.
Discussion
Article said:
TV airtime measurements show that of the top 100 brands involved in F1, Infiniti is already fourth, behind Red Bull, Vodaphone and Total
TV airtime measurements? WTF are they?And seriously..??.. no Ferrari or McLaren "brand" amongst them? I wouldn't base my multi-million dollar marketting campaign on information so obviously flawed.
LotusOmega375D said:
"to eternity and beyond!"
Infiniti really is a cr@p name. Sounds like a cosmetics brand, or something that ladies apply in the vicinity of their unmentionable.
Does not matter what it sounds like to me -- they are currently (if not mistaken) the only car manufacturer that produces cars with all wheel steering. Now that's cool in my book.Infiniti really is a cr@p name. Sounds like a cosmetics brand, or something that ladies apply in the vicinity of their unmentionable.
Edited by LotusOmega375D on Tuesday 25th September 16:00
Watchman said:
Article said:
TV airtime measurements show that of the top 100 brands involved in F1, Infiniti is already fourth, behind Red Bull, Vodaphone and Total
TV airtime measurements? WTF are they?And seriously..??.. no Ferrari or McLaren "brand" amongst them? I wouldn't base my multi-million dollar marketting campaign on information so obviously flawed.
(it's "vodafone")
The Infiniti showroom on Piccadilly has a stop/go pitlane lollipop and some other Red Bull paraphernalia on display in the window. It looks very out-of-place and it took me a moment to realise they were a sponsor. It was only on reading this article that I realised the link. I watch F1 and am one of the minority who knows what Infiniti is. I doubt 99% of the population will ever make the link.
I'd suggest that the advertising perhaps isn't as effective as they think.
I'd suggest that the advertising perhaps isn't as effective as they think.
Watchman said:
Article said:
TV airtime measurements show that of the top 100 brands involved in F1, Infiniti is already fourth, behind Red Bull, Vodaphone and Total
TV airtime measurements? WTF are they?And seriously..??.. no Ferrari or McLaren "brand" amongst them? I wouldn't base my multi-million dollar marketting campaign on information so obviously flawed.
Captain Muppet said:
I'm pretty sure that "F1" is a brand, how do they do in TV airtime measurements during F1? Really lower than fourth?
And those guys that make the tyres. Pirenni? Pizelli? Firelli? Whatever they're called. They're obviously low on the list too.Joking aside, apart from companies who actually supply teams, I can only think of a handful of F1 sponsors.
LotusOmega375D said:
"to eternity and beyond!"
Infiniti really is a cr@p name. Sounds like a cosmetics brand, or something that ladies apply in the vicinity of their unmentionable.
The caption read, "From here to (insert missing word)". I don't think the answer is "Infiniti". Infiniti really is a cr@p name. Sounds like a cosmetics brand, or something that ladies apply in the vicinity of their unmentionable.
Edited by LotusOmega375D on Tuesday 25th September 16:00
Matt Harper said:
LotusOmega375D said:
"to eternity and beyond!"
Infiniti really is a cr@p name. Sounds like a cosmetics brand, or something that ladies apply in the vicinity of their unmentionable.
The caption read, "From here to (insert missing word)". I don't think the answer is "Infiniti". Infiniti really is a cr@p name. Sounds like a cosmetics brand, or something that ladies apply in the vicinity of their unmentionable.
Edited by LotusOmega375D on Tuesday 25th September 16:00
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