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YoungRestorer

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102 posts

38 months

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Received my Octane magazine this morning, and was greeted with a 2010 Zonda F, with an estimate of £500k-£600k. Isn't that quite an pessimistic valuation considering the current market value of a 2005 Zonda F on JamesList is £660k, remembering of course that it is 5 years older than the one on offer at Bonhams?

Streetrod

5,298 posts

93 months

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That advert is misleading as that is not actually a Zonda F. The car is actually a rebuilt Zonda S7.3, chassis number 76046. It was famously crashed in a rather spectacular fashion and then rebuilt to its current spec. At the time it was apparently the most expensive motoring insurance payout ever. So this car due to its history and the fact that it is not n F is not worth as much

This is what it used to look like:





And this is it now:



The easiest way to tell is the fact that the roof is not in bare carbon which all the F's were.

Edited by Streetrod on Saturday 29th September 11:06

tyrewrecker

6,419 posts

41 months

YoungRestorer

Original Poster:

102 posts

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Does it actually matter if it were crashed? I mean it would have been fully repaired by the factory anyway, so it's just like one of the upgraded early Zondas? Streetrod, your encyclopedic knowledge of Zondas is incredible, how do you come by it all?

tyrewrecker

6,419 posts

41 months

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YoungRestorer said:
Does it actually matter if it were crashed?
No
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jonny5

3,521 posts

161 months

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Does it have full 'F' running gear?

With Buyers premium - the lower estimates comes to 573.8k and the upper 688.2k - not really that far of a no story 'F'

Edited by jonny5 on Saturday 29th September 13:34

traxx

2,851 posts

109 months

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What's happened to the Zonda that crashed last month in Herts?

Pork

8,631 posts

121 months

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Streetrod said:
At the time it was apparently the most expensive motoring insurance payout ever.
Quickly superceeded by the 250 GTO crash in France, I'm assuming?

W111AAM

466 posts

119 months

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Do we know who was driving it yet when it crashed?

matc

4,554 posts

94 months

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traxx said:
What's happened to the Zonda that crashed last month in Herts?
Lets hope they crush it, pretty morbid rebuilding a car someone died in; it's not like it's an irreplaceable car.

JazzyO

1,115 posts

68 months

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tyrewrecker said:
No
Yes.

Always does.



Onno

tyrewrecker

6,419 posts

41 months

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JazzyO said:
Yes.

Always does.



Onno
I forgot the wink

Justices

2,927 posts

51 months

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Pork said:
Streetrod said:
At the time it was apparently the most expensive motoring insurance payout ever.
Quickly superceeded by the 250 GTO crash in France, I'm assuming?
I would have thought that, although the 250GTO changes hands for huge sums, the repair work isn't that high with it being and old-school car/repair job. The Zonda however, is expensive from the start with advanced materials and big bills as standard with everything being done uniquely by Pagani.

Or am I completely wrong? biggrin

VMLondon

525 posts

62 months

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Justices said:
I would have thought that, although the 250GTO changes hands for huge sums, the repair work isn't that high with it being and old-school car/repair job. The Zonda however, is expensive from the start with advanced materials and big bills as standard with everything being done uniquely by Pagani.

Or am I completely wrong? biggrin
Perfectly correct!

Streetrod

5,298 posts

93 months

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Justices said:
Pork said:
Streetrod said:
At the time it was apparently the most expensive motoring insurance payout ever.
Quickly superceeded by the 250 GTO crash in France, I'm assuming?
I would have thought that, although the 250GTO changes hands for huge sums, the repair work isn't that high with it being and old-school car/repair job. The Zonda however, is expensive from the start with advanced materials and big bills as standard with everything being done uniquely by Pagani.

Or am I completely wrong? biggrin
Nope you’re pretty much on the money there mate. A 250 GTO's value is in its history and heritage, not the value of the raw materials it is made of. The real cost of fixing a GTO is all in the man hours.

The Zonda on the other hand is made up of very large carbon panels for the body work, so if you smack the front or back you are going to need a complete new clam shell which are very silly money I'm afraid. Also this particular car had major chassis damage as well. Only the main tub, engine and gearbox and a few other odds and sods were used in the repaired car

Streetrod

5,298 posts

93 months

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YoungRestorer said:
Does it actually matter if it were crashed? I mean it would have been fully repaired by the factory anyway, so it's just like one of the upgraded early Zondas? Streetrod, your encyclopedic knowledge of Zondas is incredible, how do you come by it all?
I have no life frown

NRS

4,708 posts

88 months

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W111AAM said:
Do we know who was driving it yet when it crashed?
Not, it was never confirmed.

YoungRestorer said:
Does it actually matter if it were crashed? I mean it would have been fully repaired by the factory anyway, so it's just like one of the upgraded early Zondas? Streetrod, your encyclopedic knowledge of Zondas is incredible, how do you come by it all?
It comes from this site (I've linked to the bit about the GJ - the car after it was rebuilt).

http://forum.pagani-zonda.net/viewtopic.php?f=21&a...

If there's anyone else wanting to look more into this particular car then the earlier part of the cars life is:

http://forum.pagani-zonda.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&a...

There are a couple of guys on there who have more knowledge the Streetrod (as far as I am aware, not sure what he doesn't say due to privacy stuff). I suspect "TheItalianJunkyard" on there is probably the worldwide expert on Zondas for someone not being in the factory, and he probably knows as much as some people in the factory (basically "Peleton" of Zondas). A lot of the stuff known is not posted on the site due to respecting owners privacy.

Streetrod, how did you hear about the chassis being replaced? The chassis is the same one as before - it has the same VIN. Since the VIN is related to the chassis if it is replaced then it gets a new VIN. Since this is not the case the chassis is the same. I also have some pics that are not public, and although some parts are not great it was not a case of destroying everything like you seem to suggest in your post.

traxx

2,851 posts

109 months

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Didn't one of the UK Zondas burn years ago (black one sold by Romans iirc)?

Surely that was a total loss so would have been a bigger insurance claim?

Anyway the insurance claim thing doesn't make any sense given that a UK Enzo was wrecked and the Mclaren F1 that was a total loss (although perhaps the insurance refused to payout on that one)

Dave Hedgehog

7,311 posts

91 months

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tyrewrecker said:
YoungRestorer said:
Does it actually matter if it were crashed?
No
i would be a very happy bunny with it cloud9

TurboTerrific9

245 posts

48 months

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It has a new VIN, but in excess of 20k miles!
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