Login | Register
SearchMy Stuff
My ProfileMy PreferencesMy Mates RSS Feed
2
Reply to Topic
Author Discussion

tallpaulw

Original Poster:

16 posts

89 months

[news] 
Monday 5th November 2012 quote quote all
I've just agreed a price on a 1990 964 tip which is being sold privately. The car is in good condition and the file is extensive with all the stamps, MOT's and a big file of receipts including a rebuild at 80k by JZM (£6k), it's now done 110k. Although it all stacks up, especially compared to some of the other cars i've seen, i did think an inspection would be wise. I did read that the 1990 could still leak after a top end rebuild? The 1991 onwards had a different head/gasket? The car is in North London if anyone wants to recommend somewhere for an inspection....if it's needed?

mollytherocker

11,138 posts

95 months

[news] 
Monday 5th November 2012 quote quote all
It all depends on how competent you are to assess that it's in 'good condition'.

Are you sure, or is just shiny?

sportsandclassic

3,699 posts

104 months

[news] 
Monday 5th November 2012 quote quote all
Hi, get the car inspected as there are other things thay may require attention other than the engine.

As for the later models having different headgaskets...... there are loads of place the engine can leak from and 9/10 times the heads only leak as the retaining studs have snapped. All other seals and gaskets are the same and do leak.

Get a Porsche specialist to carry out a full check over and also I would recommend a cylinder leakage test to see what the condition of the cylinders , rings and valves are in.

Should be around £450 for the check and leakage test.

Mike

SalesManager

2,222 posts

126 months

[news] 
Monday 5th November 2012 quote quote all
Jaz in Wembley is supposed to bea good outfit and do a lot of engine rebuilds.

marky911

3,229 posts

105 months

[news] 
Monday 5th November 2012 quote quote all
Definitely!

Loads of items that can cost money on these. Anything from heat exchangers, tired suspension to bodywork, can all cost a bit of cash to sort.

I used Jaz in Wembley for a ppi once but I don't know how far away these are from your prospective purchase. Straight to the point. Rang me with results straight away, then posted out receipts etc.

I have a leakdown test done first on 964s to check engine health, usually about £100.

This is the cheaper part of the inspection. If the engine checks out ok, I then go ahead with the rest of the inspection.

Good luck getting sorted. smile

Eta - Hey SM, Snap! Helpful place Jaz.
Advertisement

Mart-1

329 posts

86 months

[news] 
Monday 5th November 2012 quote quote all
SalesManager said:
Jaz in Wembley is supposed to bea good outfit and do a lot of engine rebuilds.
Jaz in Wembley are excellent if you need an inspection or work done - i'm a very happy customer

tyinsky

1,051 posts

45 months

[news] 
Monday 5th November 2012 quote quote all
I bought mine without an inspection (I didn't even drive it) – although I do understand the argument for getting one. I doubt my car would of been on sale long enough to organise one before someone turned up with the cash. It was more to do with my gut feeling about the particular car, the owner and the price, another car on another day I would of had a PPI done.

While buying it I put aside a figure in my head for repairs should I have missed something and I have not had to spend all of it. Little things can add up on these cars and I guess I have spent about £2,750 on mine in the time shortly after buying it as it needed a service and a few niggly little things sorting out which soon add up (I have also spent another £750 on stuff that didn't need doing as it is addictive! wink )

tallpaulw

Original Poster:

16 posts

89 months

[news] 
Monday 5th November 2012 quote quote all
Thanks for all your thoughts. Although it all stacks up and the car seems genuine i think an inspection would be wise. Coincidentally the current owner has used Jaz recently. I'll book it in there.

boxsey

1,972 posts

96 months

[news] 
Monday 5th November 2012 quote quote all
Is it cobalt blue?

Zingari

653 posts

59 months

[news] 
Monday 5th November 2012 quote quote all
tallpaulw said:
I've just agreed a price on a 1990 964 tip which is being sold privately. The car is in good condition and the file is extensive with all the stamps, MOT's and a big file of receipts including a rebuild at 80k by JZM (£6k), it's now done 110k. Although it all stacks up, especially compared to some of the other cars i've seen, i did think an inspection would be wise. I did read that the 1990 could still leak after a top end rebuild? The 1991 onwards had a different head/gasket? The car is in North London if anyone wants to recommend somewhere for an inspection....if it's needed?
Baltic Blue per chance? Had my eye on that but decided this time manual g/box all the way. Looked good colour combo and bodywork.

One thing I have noticed is that age is creeping up on these cars and rust bubbling is becoming common in various places over the bodywork. Had a look over one recently and to tackle the various rust areas would mean a full respray which is not what I want to undertake and would rather buy one fulled sorted. The search goes on............

pikeyboy

1,985 posts

100 months

[news] 
Monday 5th November 2012 quote quote all
If you have balls of steel and deep pockets then no, if like me you're aflicted with short arms deep pocket syndrom then yes!

douglasgdmw

262 posts

105 months

[news] 
Monday 5th November 2012 quote quote all
Defintely recommend getting an inspection. I used Peter Morgan for my wife's 964, nothing major found but it did indicate some faults which I knew I would have to replace in the coming years. Must admit that it was the most comprehensive report I have ever received on a car, these guys know their Porsche's.

The way I look at it is, £300+ is much better spent getting a proper inspection and knowing what you are getting and condsiderably cheaper than one which will need lots of work

George

graemel

5,019 posts

103 months

[news] 
Monday 5th November 2012 quote quote all
Mart-1 said:
SalesManager said:
Jaz in Wembley is supposed to bea good outfit and do a lot of engine rebuilds.
Jaz in Wembley are excellent if you need an inspection or work done - i'm a very happy customer
Agreed. Steve at Jaz and his team are good guys. That is where I'd go

Wozy68

3,208 posts

56 months

[news] 
Tuesday 6th November 2012 quote quote all
I've never had an inspection done. Either I've purchased from one of the very few specialists I've delt with before and trust. (Thats no one from either North Yorkshire, North London or Essex then) Or I have made my own mind up after years of buying Porsches.

The latest 993 I bought in March has had a small fortune on it since I bought her, and still needs a couple of K spent plus servicing next year. I put this expenditure against almost zero depreciation to warrant the expense.

I'm a believer in buying an honest car, that has had little extra work done over the last few years at a price that reflexs this. Mileage for example is unimportant, servicing yearly (with proof and service book) is. This way I know that everything I do to her is correct and done properly. I'd sooner buy an 18K car and spend 5K on her, than go out there and spend 23K and have no idea if the dampers are going to last a year or a week for example.

This is good knowledge for the purchase of your Porsche. I fully understand having an inspection, especially if you wish little expenditure for the next year or so. However (and the 964 is getting to the age where they are certainly included) an inspection will mainly inform you of faults that an old car will have. I have seen for example a Peter Morgan report on a 3.2 Carrera, it was very detailed, but to be honest nothing was in it that I couldn't have checked over myself. There were quite a few, what I would call minor niggles. eg slight oil weep from engine etc, nothing to worry about. But when oil leak and Porsche are used in the same sentence ...... half the would be purchasers run for the hills.
This in itself might put you off a car, only to find later and God knows how many reports done, that it was the best of the bunch. Porsche = expenditure, however well thay are looked after.

The biggest single thing I would look for is body damage and rot. And there are lots of 964s with both. This to me is the important stuff that normally needs remedial work sooner rather than later, and can lead to costing more than a complete engine build if your not careful.

If it was from the water cooled era however, with modern electronics .... well that might be a different matter, and an inspection maybe required.

Edited by Wozy68 on Tuesday 6th November 08:41

tyinsky

1,051 posts

45 months

[news] 
Tuesday 6th November 2012 quote quote all
^^ That is mostly the way I see it too.


Porsche964fp

26 posts

37 months

[news] 
Tuesday 6th November 2012 quote quote all
tallpaulw said:
I've just agreed a price on a 1990 964 tip which is being sold privately. The car is in good condition and the file is extensive with all the stamps, MOT's and a big file of receipts including a rebuild at 80k by JZM (£6k), it's now done 110k. Although it all stacks up, especially compared to some of the other cars i've seen, i did think an inspection would be wise. I did read that the 1990 could still leak after a top end rebuild? The 1991 onwards had a different head/gasket? The car is in North London if anyone wants to recommend somewhere for an inspection....if it's needed?
If the engine has had a rebuild it would be very unusual that the top end would not have been addressed with the later gaskets - especially from a specialist like JZM.

There are so many areas that need to be thoroughly checked. The best money you'll spend is on the piece of mind of a PPI with a leak-down/ compression test. I and a lot of 964 owners vouch for GTOne in Chertsey. JAZ have a concrete reputation although I have no first hand experience with them I would take it there if I didn't know of GTOne.

Can you post pictures of the car/ advert?

Also you may be interested in this thread (UK 964s for sale), which is constantly updated with cars and discussed:
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/964-forum/67...

As a side note. Join Rennlist - there is a big 964 presence. The London 964 Owners meet once a month for an informal lunch and drive. Newbies are a must:
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/964-forum/70...

Edited by Porsche964fp on Tuesday 6th November 09:43

tallpaulw

Original Poster:

16 posts

89 months

[news] 
Thursday 8th November 2012 quote quote all
Again, thanks for all your thoughts and info on this. The car in question is the baltic blue tip on at £13500. It's in good condition and the paper file couldn't be better. The car had an inspection today at Jaz and does have an small oil leak in the usual 964 place, not ideal as it had a rebuild at JZM 30k ago, so shouldn't be leaking? Not spoken to Steve yet for the full story, but should have an update tomorrow.

marky911

3,229 posts

105 months

[news] 
Thursday 8th November 2012 quote quote all
Hi,
depending on how bad the leak is it may not be a deal-breaker if everything else is fine, eg compression/leakdowns. It just depends on what you're happy living with.

Drips of oil on the drive or wherever you've been parked do sometimes take the shine off things if you're a fanny (I am!), but in general, that's 964s.

As for the rebuild 30k ago, you need to look at how long ago time-wise too. If it's more than 6 or 7 years then unfotunately, leaks can appear/reappear in that time.

Is the leak from a cylinder base gasket? Simplified, these are a round ring that sits in a recess and forms a seal. Regardless of miles they shrink and distort over time and allow oil past. Just a one of the 964 foibles along with the crankcase through-bolts.

It's labour intensive to sort and will be a case of "while you're in there", hence basically another rebuild but if the car is a summer car, for light use and it'll last 2 or 3 years before a rebuild, then it doesn't seem too bad, especially if you could get it for £12.5-£13k. 964s don't get much cheaper, even in a much worse state.

Good luck. smile

Edited by marky911 on Thursday 8th November 17:28

davek_964

2,192 posts

61 months

[news] 
Thursday 8th November 2012 quote quote all
My 964 had a top end rebuild just a few thousand miles before I bought it. The underneath of the engine still got damp - although it never left oil drips on the drive, and the oil level didn't really change between services. Never got any worse in 60k miles / 9 years.

tallpaulw

Original Poster:

16 posts

89 months

[news] 
Thursday 8th November 2012 quote quote all
The rebuild was about 6 years ago i think, so that's probably why it's leaking. I think the leak would bother me (maybe i shouldn't be looking at 964's!), but will wait for the full inspection e-mailing through and a chat with Steve from Jaz tomorrow morning, before making a decision.
2
Reply to Topic