Fastest lap - LMP1 vs F1

Fastest lap - LMP1 vs F1

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Original Poster:

16,951 posts

224 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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An idle musing as I walked to work this morning:

The fastest lap at this year's LM24 was a 3:24.189 by Loic Duval in an R18 Ultra.

What do we think a current F1 car could lap the same circuit in, given the balance between downforce and top speed?

groomi

9,324 posts

256 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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During the first couple of hours I'm sure the F1 would utterly maul the LMP1. About half an hour later, the driver would be a complete wreck, the car would detonate itself and the LPM1 would be the fastest thing around.

By the 23rd hour, the F1 would have been completely rebuilt and would head back out for some more monster laps.


Completely incomparable, never mind the F1 driver not having a hope of avoiding any GT cars with such ridiculous closing speeds.

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Original Poster:

16,951 posts

224 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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Fastest lap, not who'd win over 24 hours!

groomi

9,324 posts

256 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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Like I say, F1 would be much faster until it breaks.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

165 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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On the old circuit it may be closer, purely because of the mulsanne and the top speed advantage of LMP cars, but in the current format, I would have thought there is sufficient cornering to give the F1 cars an advantage.

Nosynchro

240 posts

160 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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Seem to remember when they remodelled arnage run off last year, the rumour was this brought the circuit up to F1 standards. Instead of Bernie mucking about with a French GP at Magny Cours or castellet on the same weekend as LM next year why not hold the GP at La Sarthe on Saturday morning. Clearly it will never happen but would be a nice curtain raiser for some proper motor racing in the afternoon.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

165 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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And tickets would cost a fk of a lot more that the 80 euros or so they do now!

Great Dane

2,809 posts

179 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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got tickets for €54 as an aco member... bargain of the year

Rs2oo

2,200 posts

211 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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I think it would be an easy win for an LMP1 if Grosjean was driving an F1 he would crash it by the Dunlop Bridge on the first lap. An F1 car with a British driver however would put on a jolly good show and win over one or two laps.

Edited by Rs2oo on Thursday 8th November 22:34

//j17

4,688 posts

236 months

Friday 9th November 2012
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Personally I'd say the LMP1 would be the fastest around a whole lap.

While they would work around the permanent circuit sections the road sections would just be too...agricultural. Either they would be bottoming-out all over the shop or running such a huge ride-height the aero wouldn't work correctly.

icepop

1,177 posts

220 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Aren't the F1 cars potentially geared for 200-205 mph, can't remember a LM car of late hitting much more than that. The F1 would obliterate the LM in the corners, so for a flying lap, I'd put the F1 car 20 secs, or thereabouts, quicker. Similar to putting a family saloon car up against a geared kart, round Brands Hatch.

DS240

5,062 posts

231 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Looked up wec round at beguim and the F1 race.

Audi did 1:43.6 in qualifying.

Fastest I could find the last couple of years was 1:47sec area for F1. But I think this had more to do with the track conditions.

Anyone know the fastest lap at bulguim or find one set in dry.

I think wec qualifying was dry.

That would give an indication of how things compare.

Edited by DS240 on Friday 16th November 07:36

Hansgerd

1,274 posts

297 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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No, McNish put the E-tron on pole during this year's WEC round at Spa qualifying after 02:01.579 minutes whereas Jenson Button qualified his LcLaren at 01:47.573 this year. Thus, F1 faster than LMP1.

rdjohn

6,663 posts

208 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Hansgerd said:
No, McNish put the E-tron on pole during this year's WEC round at Spa qualifying after 02:01.579 minutes whereas Jenson Button qualified his LcLaren at 01:47.573 this year. Thus, F1 faster than LMP1.
Good answer, and surprised that it is only 15% faster

robmlufc

5,229 posts

199 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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And I would still rather watch LMPs for 24 hours rather than F1 for 90 minutes smile

DS240

5,062 posts

231 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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I took times off wec website, dunno it was '11 or '12 race.

Need times done in same (dry) conditions to make comparison.

Hansgerd

1,274 posts

297 months

Monday 19th November 2012
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1:43.6 looks like the time taken at the Blanchimont speed trap. Agreed, there're no sector times available on the net, neither for F1 nor for WEC. Mhh... can anyone fill up on this... I guess LMP1 would be faster through section from Pif-Paf to Busstop, F1 faster up hill at Kemmel... just taking the aerodynamics, weight and power into account. And through the corners, too. Sector times would be nice to have.

robmlufc

5,229 posts

199 months

Wednesday 21st November 2012
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At Interlagos last year Webbers fastest lap was 1:15.3, this year Di Grassi did a 1:23.0 in a R18. So still a biggish gap.

icepop

1,177 posts

220 months

Sunday 25th November 2012
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You've only got to see a F1 car go through a complex of bends to realise it's waaaaay quicker than any LM car. And as the max top speeds are about the same, with the F1 car maximising downforce, there would be zero advantage at any point on the LM circuit, to the LM car. I'd expect 3 mins and very few secs, for the F1 car.