997 turbo gen1 v gen2 and manual v pdk?which is the one?
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i am little bored with all this how much is my car going to be worth next year in a trade in and all the boring 981/991 stuff around at the moment even the 996/7 melt down has been done to death so i thought i would start something else.i dont know if this one has been done before and have no present interest in purchasing a turbo but wondered how the new turbo faired against the old turbo ie different engine dfi vs mezger?also is the manual a nicer/more involved drive than the dfi pdk/mezger tip.
which one would you choose if owned both?discuss!
the follow on from this would be if the new gt3 is dfi is it better than a mezger gt3!
which one would you choose if owned both?discuss!
the follow on from this would be if the new gt3 is dfi is it better than a mezger gt3!
Edited by itsybitsy on Thursday 6th December 23:01
Edited by itsybitsy on Thursday 6th December 23:06
The Mezger is way over engineered for road use. Very expensive to make. And it's a dry sump where the DFI is a semi dry sump.
I got a gen1 manual. It's more involved driving and the short shift is really nice. If you like manual get a gen1. If you like auto get a gen2 because it has PDK.
I got a gen1 manual. It's more involved driving and the short shift is really nice. If you like manual get a gen1. If you like auto get a gen2 because it has PDK.
I'm fortunate enough to be able to drive a manual gen 1 turbo and a PDK gen 2 Turbo S on a fairly regular basis, and I'm sorry to say that I'd have the latter every time. (I really wanted to hate PDK when I first used it too!)
That's not to say the gen 1 isn't an awesome car, it's just that the Turbo S is something else!
That's not to say the gen 1 isn't an awesome car, it's just that the Turbo S is something else!
Manual v PDK is a personal choice
A lot is made of the Metzger engine, but that has more to do with its engineering heritage and tuning potential. The Gen 2 is a newer generation DFI derivitive. AFAIK both engines are reliable and well up to the job.
IMO the Gen 2 is more involving to drive. There were quite a lot of imrovements and the introduction of the various chassis aids contributed to this. It also sounds slightly better.
Obviously the 'S' is the flagship model with all the toys, but the big decider is how much you wish to spend.
A lot is made of the Metzger engine, but that has more to do with its engineering heritage and tuning potential. The Gen 2 is a newer generation DFI derivitive. AFAIK both engines are reliable and well up to the job.
IMO the Gen 2 is more involving to drive. There were quite a lot of imrovements and the introduction of the various chassis aids contributed to this. It also sounds slightly better.
Obviously the 'S' is the flagship model with all the toys, but the big decider is how much you wish to spend.
If it was my choice, and money was no object, then it would be the Turbo S with PDK.
Realistically, you'd be looking at £85-90k, but these are £130k cars, so quite a saving. And I think they probably lose the most in the first couple of years, so thereafter the depreciation should be slower.
The 991 Turbo is, I guess, a year away, and the list price will be nearer £140-150k (?), and supplies limited. So there will be a strong market for sub-£100k 997 Turbos for a while, and the 'S' will be the 'must have' model, IMO.
Realistically, you'd be looking at £85-90k, but these are £130k cars, so quite a saving. And I think they probably lose the most in the first couple of years, so thereafter the depreciation should be slower.
The 991 Turbo is, I guess, a year away, and the list price will be nearer £140-150k (?), and supplies limited. So there will be a strong market for sub-£100k 997 Turbos for a while, and the 'S' will be the 'must have' model, IMO.
I've driven an 'S', which belongs to a good friend, so I was fairly cautious with it.
In normal mode it is fast. In 'Sport' it's very fast. In 'Sport Plus', yes it is bonkers.
But, actually, what impressed me most was the feel and comfort when you drive it sensibly . The steering and chassis do provide more feedback than I recall from the Gen 1, and despite all the drver options and aids, the driver still feels in charge.
In normal mode it is fast. In 'Sport' it's very fast. In 'Sport Plus', yes it is bonkers.
But, actually, what impressed me most was the feel and comfort when you drive it sensibly . The steering and chassis do provide more feedback than I recall from the Gen 1, and despite all the drver options and aids, the driver still feels in charge.
Of the Turbo,s for sale now seems to me that the non S have more spec and options than the S.
The S has what 30bhp more and PCCBs. One turbo for sale has the PCCBs and loads more options.
Also on the road is the S that much faster ? From what ive seen its not ,so a well specced Turbo is just as good a buy?
The S has what 30bhp more and PCCBs. One turbo for sale has the PCCBs and loads more options.
Also on the road is the S that much faster ? From what ive seen its not ,so a well specced Turbo is just as good a buy?
cayman-black said:
Of the Turbo,s for sale now seems to me that the non S have more spec and options than the S.
The S has what 30bhp more and PCCBs. One turbo for sale has the PCCBs and loads more options.
How's that possible? I thought the 'S' had virtually every option as standard?The S has what 30bhp more and PCCBs. One turbo for sale has the PCCBs and loads more options.
Koln-RS said:
How's that possible? I thought the 'S' had virtually every option as standard?
This one for example!http://ucl.porsche.de/ucl/plsql/uk/clients.show_ca...
I ordered a very high spec Gen 2 Turbo in mid-2009.
Arrived Jan 2010, so decided to wait until March before taking delivery. Then, in Feb the 'S' was announced
- even higher spec (all the toys as standard), performance upgrade, 'S' nomenclature and detailing - and much the same price.
Spoke with my OPC and they kidly agreed to allow me to swap my order for an 'S' although it meant a 6 month wait. 2 1/2 years on, no regrets.
However, the standard Turbo makes sense if you want the 6-spd manual.
Arrived Jan 2010, so decided to wait until March before taking delivery. Then, in Feb the 'S' was announced
- even higher spec (all the toys as standard), performance upgrade, 'S' nomenclature and detailing - and much the same price.Spoke with my OPC and they kidly agreed to allow me to swap my order for an 'S' although it meant a 6 month wait. 2 1/2 years on, no regrets.
However, the standard Turbo makes sense if you want the 6-spd manual.
Geneve said:
I ordered a very high spec Gen 2 Turbo in mid-2009.
Arrived Jan 2010, so decided to wait until March before taking delivery. Then, in Feb the 'S' was announced - even higher spec (all the toys as standard), performance upgrade, 'S' nomenclature and detailing - and much the same price.
Spoke with my OPC and they kidly agreed to allow me to swap my order for an 'S' although it meant a 6 month wait. 2 1/2 years on, no regrets.
However, the standard Turbo makes sense if you want the 6-spd manual.
Agree if you are buying new a turbo S would cost no more. But second hand its not so clear as the car i posted above shows.Arrived Jan 2010, so decided to wait until March before taking delivery. Then, in Feb the 'S' was announced
- even higher spec (all the toys as standard), performance upgrade, 'S' nomenclature and detailing - and much the same price.Spoke with my OPC and they kidly agreed to allow me to swap my order for an 'S' although it meant a 6 month wait. 2 1/2 years on, no regrets.
However, the standard Turbo makes sense if you want the 6-spd manual.
Moot point at the moment as not many early reg cars of either type on the UK OPC Network now. They all been snapped up.
I bought on spec, the Turbo S has more toys as standard but there are (and have been) quite a few 2009 Turbo cars turn up for sale specced way over the bog standard Turbo S spec and present better value.
If you have deep pockets I would go for a 2009 turbo PDK and apply the softronic tune with a Europipe/Akrapovic/Cargraphic 'zaust for 570-600BHP.
I bought on spec, the Turbo S has more toys as standard but there are (and have been) quite a few 2009 Turbo cars turn up for sale specced way over the bog standard Turbo S spec and present better value.
If you have deep pockets I would go for a 2009 turbo PDK and apply the softronic tune with a Europipe/Akrapovic/Cargraphic 'zaust for 570-600BHP.
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